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#1 Apr 09 2008 at 4:58 AM Rating: Good
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...you'd think there hadn't been huge strides for socioeconomic equality lately. Oh wait.

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Incomes fell for poor and stagnated for middle-class families since late 1990s, making it tougher for them to weather economic downturn.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Poor and middle-class families are entering the recession in a precarious situation due in part to declining or stagnant income growth, a study released Wednesday has found.

Incomes, on average, have declined by 2.5% among the bottom fifth of families since the late 1990s, while inching up by just 1.3% for those in the middle fifth of households, according to an analysis by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities and the Economic Policy Institute, two liberal think tanks.

The wealthiest slice of Americans, however, saw their incomes rise by 9%.

The average income of the bottom fifth of families was $18,116; the middle fifth, $50,434; and the wealthiest fifth, $132,131.

Unlike what happened during the economic boom of the 1990s, lower- and middle-class families did not share in the prosperity of recent years, the report found. In fact, the United States has had its longest jobless recovery and slowest rate of payroll growth during this decade.

"We're worried about the impact of the downturn on the families whose incomes haven't recovered from the last recession," said Jared Bernstein, Economic Policy Institute senior economist and co-author of the report.

Wages have not kept up with inflation, families have loaded up on debt and homeowners have seen the value of their largest asset decline, he said. The situation will only get worse during the economic downturn.

"Families are uniquely economically exposed to the costs of recession," he continued. "As we head into a recession, their incomes will take a further hit."

The income gap between the rich and the rest of the population is widening. In 22 states, the top fifth of families made more than seven times what the poorest fifth took home, according to the report. In the late 1980s, only one state - Louisiana - had such a spread. Meanwhile, in more than two-thirds of the country, the wealthiest saw their income grow more than twice as fast as the middle-class over the past two decades.

State governments, however, can step in and help mitigate this growing inequality and insecurity, said Elizabeth McNichol, a senior fellow at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities and the report's co-author. For instance, they can extend the amount of time workers receive benefits during an economic downturn. Also, they can offer or improve support services, such as child care, health insurance and transportation services.

Governments can also put resources into public services and infrastructure projects, which will help create jobs and stimulate the economy, said James Galbraith, professor at the University of Texas at Austin and income gap specialist. The federal government may also have to funnel more money to the states so they can maintain services at a time when tax revenues may decline.

The study is based on U.S. Census Bureau income data that have been adjusted for inflation, the impact of federal taxes and cash value of government subsidies. It does not factor in capital gains or losses. It compares data from 2004 to 2006 with that of 1987 to 1989 and 1998 to 2000.


I wish some rich people would buy some stuff with all their extra money, since it will really help out the poor folks.

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#2 Apr 09 2008 at 5:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Clearly we need more tax cuts for people making more than $500,000 a year in Hedge Fund gains.

A tax credit maybe.

Rising tide lifts all boats!

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#3 Apr 09 2008 at 9:46 AM Rating: Decent
Damn those rich people. They keep going on thinking that they actually deserve the money that they earned. They need to learn to give it away to those poor less fortunate people, because they deserve it so much more.

Edited, Apr 9th 2008 1:51pm by AlexanderrOfAsura
#4 Apr 09 2008 at 9:49 AM Rating: Default
Edit- Double post

Edited, Apr 9th 2008 1:50pm by AlexanderrOfAsura
#5 Apr 09 2008 at 9:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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AlexanderrOfAsura wrote:
Damn those rich people. They keep going on thinking that they actually deserve the money that they earned. They need to learn to give it away to those poor less fortunate people, because they deserve it so much more.
Yeah too bad. Smiley: rolleyes

Too bad that you and I, the middle-class and working poor all pay a larger percent of our 'hard-earned' money to the gov than the rich people.

...and we do actually 'work' for our hard-earned money.
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#6 Apr 09 2008 at 10:02 AM Rating: Good
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AlexanderrOfAsura wrote:
Damn those rich people. They keep going on thinking that they actually deserve the money that they earned. They need to learn to give it away to those poor less fortunate people, because they deserve it so much more.

Edited, Apr 9th 2008 1:51pm by AlexanderrOfAsura


Yeah, really b/c all those stock-holders really want companies that pay a fair price to employees rather than squeeze out every ounce of profits. Damnit, they work hard too! And all those families that want a living wage or health insurance, greedy and selfish. Why don't they understand all those families that slaved to afford that third home? Don't they deserve everything they have?
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#7 Apr 09 2008 at 10:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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Damn those rich people. They keep going on thinking that they actually deserve the money that they earned.


Nearly all wealth in the US is inherited. They "earned" it by falling out of a lucky ******. You're right, though, Paris Hilton deserves to have her own jet while homeless people starve 10 miles away. She earned it.

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#8 Apr 09 2008 at 10:22 AM Rating: Default
Hey I don't like to give a good chunk of my money to the government either. Though just because someone makes more money they should have to pay a larger percentage of that money?

And Smasharoo I guess I didn't go into enough detail, but I was talking about the rich people with jobs, not the ones who just inherit it. People who make their money honestly, yes, they deserve to have it.
#9 Apr 09 2008 at 10:27 AM Rating: Decent
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People who make their money honestly


Aren't rich. Capitalism doesn't work that way. There's no "honest" way to accumulate massive amounts of wealth.

Wealth is accumulated through theft, it's as simple as that. Giving some of the stolen proceeds back to society is the least thieves can do.

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#10 Apr 09 2008 at 10:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Smash would know he deceives people for a living.

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#11 Apr 09 2008 at 10:32 AM Rating: Good
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Smash would know he deceives people for a living.


This is exactly right. What I wouldn't do, though, is somehow pretend it's honest or noble. Profitable, sure.

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#12 Apr 09 2008 at 10:32 AM Rating: Default
So we are going to say that anyone who could be called rich is a bad person eh?.. I have a little trouble going along with that train of thought.
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#14 Apr 09 2008 at 10:39 AM Rating: Default

I'm sure you're quite used to that by this point.


Well now I don't think that little bit was necessary. I just don't want to go along with beliefs like "All rich people are bad". I know a few people who are quite well off, yet they aren't bad people. Am I just blind to all the terrible things they have done?
#15 Apr 09 2008 at 10:45 AM Rating: Good
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I know a few people who are quite well off, yet they aren't bad people. Am I just blind to all the terrible things they have done?


Really? All the well off people I know eat babies.

Let me explain this a second time.

In Capitalism, the only reason money moves to some people over other is that one group of people is exploited. We make excuses and pretend it's because of merit, but that's rarely the case.
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#16 Apr 09 2008 at 10:50 AM Rating: Decent
That is quite the negative view of things. While yes there are cases in which people are exploited to gain money, I would not say that it is rarely that anything but that occurs. Quite often some begin to make more money because they have worked and improved themselves to earn that money.

Please though, tell me how you define this exploitation. What all falls under that category? How far down does it go? Only between businesses or down to the individual workers?
#17 Apr 09 2008 at 10:52 AM Rating: Decent
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I would not say that it is rarely that anything but that occurs


You'd be wrong, then.

Happens.

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#18 Apr 09 2008 at 10:55 AM Rating: Good
There is a bit more to my post, if you could go ahead and answer the rest that'd be super.
#19 Apr 09 2008 at 11:02 AM Rating: Decent
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There is a bit more to my post


I'm sure you think this is true, but I assure you, it isn't.



Edited, Apr 9th 2008 3:03pm by Smasharoo
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#20 Apr 09 2008 at 11:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Firms that fire people as a cost cutting measure and then post record profits. Firms that cut benefits but give executives huge bonuses.

Read up on the history of the coal mining industry in the US sometime. That money is still around, still being inherited by people who live in the lap of luxury that cost hundreds, thousands of lives for profit. Those same trusts now pay lawyers enormous amounts of money to delay black lung related lawsuits until sick people die and the lawsuit goes away.

I'm not the socialist Smash is, mainly because I find it too depressing to confront the realities; but let's not kid ourselves. Great wealth comes at someone's expense, now or (in the case of massive exploitation of resources, for example) later.

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#21 Apr 09 2008 at 11:08 AM Rating: Default
I'm sure you think this is true, but I assure you, it isn't.

Oh! You mean to say that you are incapable of answering my question. Alright then, I won't try and push it. Would of been interesting to hear though.
#22 Apr 09 2008 at 11:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Oh! You mean to say that you are incapable of answering my question.


No, fucktick, I mean to say you don't have a question. You have this:

"I was told this, I'm going to believe this no matter what."

That's not a question.

Now, moron, if you actually want to ask a question or demonstrate how wealth is created without exploitation, go ahead.

If you'd like to repeat over and over again that you "believe" something that can be factually disproved, have a good time with someone else. I'd rather play with my balls.

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#23 Apr 09 2008 at 11:18 AM Rating: Good
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Incomes fell for poor and stagnated for middle-class families since late 1990s
Obviously a biased article. They neglect to mention that, since Bush took over, there aren't any low or middle income families. Everyone's rich!


Well, at least there's less middle-class families than before. That's kind of the same thing, right?
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#24 Apr 09 2008 at 11:21 AM Rating: Default
Doesn't take much for you to just go and resort to swearing does it? For me to find a case of the creation of wealth without exploitation I must first know exactly what you consider to be exploitation. If I give a case without knowing this I would be leaving myself open to letting you nitpick at it and of course swear some more. Give me your definition of exploitation and tell me at what point someone is wealthy. Then I will give you an example. Of course if you don't want to, then by all means go ahead and just play with your balls.
#25 Apr 09 2008 at 11:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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So you want a list of all the ways one person can exploit another person for money?

Easier to list the ways a person can make money without exploiting anyone.

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#26 Apr 09 2008 at 11:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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Doesn't take much for you to just go and resort to swearing does it?
Have you got any fUcking clue where you're posting?
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