O.k. UK, WTF?Follow

Regardless, it's nice to know people react the same way to school violence whether it's guns, bats or machetes.

Panic and faint! That's the way to do it.

So will Aus outlaw machetes now?

As someone who has trained to both use and defend against a knife attack, I have to call BS. I don't care if you're Jet Lee, no sane person with any kind of training feels comfortable about having to defend against a knife while unarmed. A knife is just too fast, unpredictable and dangerous, even when in the hands of someone who is untrained. You are too far behind the power curve, and realistically you have to get pretty lucky to get away without at least a serious cut or puncture wound.

In short, I will be carrying a fully legal folder, because its a useful tool that I can use to defend myself with in the worst case.

Jesus H christ, your IQ must be even lower then i thought.

Here are some HARD facts for you to digest

Source: United nations Survey of crime trends.- Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in the International Journal of Epidemiology.

Well, with all the guns sitting around in easy reach we don't get as much practice with the knives.

This always goes around and around.

200+ years ago the constitution was written in an environment where military attack was still a liability, and locally mobilised militia were seen as essential.

Now the threat has gone, and everyone can own a gun, self-defence means something different in USA than most other countries. Simply put, you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.

In UK, we've not had a routinely armed populus since the 1500s.

Banning swords for JQ Public makes little sense, but it doesn't bother me.

No, it's weird. But you guys spell airplane weird.

Yeah, I feel repressed because I'm not allowed to wander around with weapons I never ever want to use.

Called an old army buddy of mine who is now a homocide det. in Syracuse and asked him to look some stats up for me. He used the state law enforcement database and this is what he found.

Incidents involving the use of a fire arm:

84% of fire arms were found to be untraceable. This means they were never registered with the ATF when they were manufactured or imported. 9% were determined to be stolen. Firearms where the serial number has been scratched off or is other wise unreadable are put into this category. 7% were registered guns legally obtained. Incidents were the owner or a member of the household of the owner was involved are put into this category.

These stats are only for incidents where the person was caught and evidence found, or the person is still a fugitive but evidence was found. It obviously does not include unreported crimes or unsolved crimes.

The majority of murders, assults, and robberies fall into the 84% category. The 9% category also includes a small amount murders, assults, robbeires, etc. Most of the 7% were accidents (mostly hunting) or suicides.

Firearms means handguns, shot guns, rifles, etc. It does not include any speciality or collectors guns.

Unfortunately he was preparing for a witness interview so he didn't have time to elaborate greatly. He did say that the stats have roughly a 1 % margin of error due to open cases being dismissed or person found not guilty, etc. I asked him to look at simple possession stats but he didn't have time.

This apples only to the state of New York. Although you can't take one state to be a completely accurate representation of the whole country, NY does have some fairly strengent gun laws.

Does it prove that banning guns will stop a majority of crimes? Not really. But it also doesn't prove it won't. There are many factors of difference in between the culture in the US and the culture in the UK. I do tend to think that Americans are more violent as a whole, but thats one of the reasons I cherish my right to carry my firearm when ever appropriate.

Shotguns

Meh. It's tough to hunt ducks with a rifle.

So your best arguement for continueing to have lethal weapons legal to buy with almost no control whatsoever, is that you can't trace them?

Hey you carry on with the 80,000+ gun related deaths per year mate, it's your death sentance.

they bought the damn things from a fUcking shop you pillock, if it where ilegal to fUcking sell them, their friends couldn't have fUcking bought them!!

Are you so retarded that you didn't see the connection?

They were so intent on doing what they did that they would have found another way to get them. Honestly it's not that hard to find an illegal firearm. If outlawing personal ownership of firearms was in effect, the people who sell them illegally would still have them since the guns were illegally manufactured or imported in the first place.

Would it have been a little more difficult for them to obtain them? Sure it would have. Would they still have gotten them? Sure they would have.

About 30,000. Still too high, no argument from me; but hyperbole is not helpful.

********* Hyperbole is the most helpful single force in the universe.