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#52 Apr 04 2008 at 7:19 PM Rating: Good
Ok, so you get that person who is ideally perfect. Seems great right? But where is the room to grow. Where is the room to make improvements in your lives together? And if they are perfect now, whats to say they will be perfect in 5 years? If you get someone with some slight blemishes, it makes it easier for them to overlook your own. It also makes it easier to grow together and outgrow those blemishes.
#53 Apr 04 2008 at 7:22 PM Rating: Good
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cpcjlc wrote:
Ok, so you get that person who is ideally perfect. Seems great right? But where is the room to grow. Where is the room to make improvements in your lives together? And if they are perfect now, whats to say they will be perfect in 5 years? If you get someone with some slight blemishes, it makes it easier for them to overlook your own. It also makes it easier to grow together and outgrow those blemishes.


I see where you're going here, but going into a relationship with the expectation that someone will change something about themselves that's fundamentally important to you is not a good idea, and those are the issues we're really talking about here, not bad hair or a tendency to burn toast.

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#54 Apr 04 2008 at 7:26 PM Rating: Good
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I see where you're going here, but going into a relationship with the expectation that someone will change something about themselves that's fundamentally important to you is not a good idea, and those are the issues we're really talking about here, not bad hair or a tendency to burn toast.
Burning toast is a dealbreaker for me.

Burning water, on the other hand, requires talent.
#55 Apr 04 2008 at 7:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Archfiend MDenham wrote:
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I see where you're going here, but going into a relationship with the expectation that someone will change something about themselves that's fundamentally important to you is not a good idea, and those are the issues we're really talking about here, not bad hair or a tendency to burn toast.
Burning toast is a dealbreaker for me.

Burning water, on the other hand, requires talent.


What about soup?

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#56 Apr 04 2008 at 7:35 PM Rating: Decent
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I see where you're going here, but going into a relationship with the expectation that someone will change something about themselves that's fundamentally important to you is not a good idea,


Hence the slight blemishes. You should know their fundamental ideas up front. But a lot of people said something along the lines of "sense of humor". Whats funny and entertaining to you at 20 will not always be funny and entertaining to you at 30. Before I got married, if I met someone I thought was perfect, I always got a little skeptical, usually with good results. When I met my wife, I learned that "perfect" meant I love those small blemishes too.
#57 Apr 04 2008 at 7:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Archfiend MDenham wrote:
Nexa wrote:
I see where you're going here, but going into a relationship with the expectation that someone will change something about themselves that's fundamentally important to you is not a good idea, and those are the issues we're really talking about here, not bad hair or a tendency to burn toast.
Burning toast is a dealbreaker for me.

Burning water, on the other hand, requires talent.


What about soup?

Nexa
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#58 Apr 04 2008 at 7:42 PM Rating: Decent
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I see where you're going here, but going into a relationship with the expectation that someone will change something about themselves that's fundamentally important to you is not a good idea,


Hence the slight blemishes. You should know their fundamental ideas up front. But a lot of people said something along the lines of "sense of humor". Whats funny and entertaining to you at 20 will not always be funny and entertaining to you at 30. Before I got married, if I met someone I thought was perfect, I always got a little skeptical, usually with good results. When I met my wife, I learned that "perfect" meant I love those small blemishes too.


Right, but what might be a blemish to you might be more to someone else. Some people might say, "The same religion as me is fundamental" some might say, "They don't push their religous beliefs on me" or "Respect for my religious beliefs" or "I don't date anyone but athiests". Obviously, your own background and values are going to dictate different needs in the long term.

In the long term, no relationship with me would survive without a healthy sense of humor. I border on the ridiculous.

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#59 Apr 04 2008 at 7:43 PM Rating: Good
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Archfiend MDenham wrote:
Nexa wrote:
Archfiend MDenham wrote:
Nexa wrote:
I see where you're going here, but going into a relationship with the expectation that someone will change something about themselves that's fundamentally important to you is not a good idea, and those are the issues we're really talking about here, not bad hair or a tendency to burn toast.
Burning toast is a dealbreaker for me.

Burning water, on the other hand, requires talent.


What about soup?

Nexa
As long as it doesn't get spilled on my crotch, I'm fine with it.


Have you considered that you should spend VASTLY less time inventing heat proof sippy cups and MORE time inventing burn proof pants? HMMMM?!

Nexa
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#60 Apr 04 2008 at 8:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Right, but what might be a blemish to you might be more to someone else. Some people might say, "The same religion as me is fundamental" some might say, "They don't push their religous beliefs on me" or "Respect for my religious beliefs" or "I don't date anyone but athiests". Obviously, your own background and values are going to dictate different needs in the long term.


Very true, but I think after you have spent a significant amount of time with someone you should know them well enough to know what the consider a blemish and what they consider more important. It's true that your moral background is going to shape the idea of what you look for in a mate, I"m just saying there are things that you may not think are perfect but can end up being "perfect for you".
#61 Apr 04 2008 at 10:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, so I was talking with one of my friend/classmates on Tuesday about relationship requirements and whatnot (she's single and looking). We got into a discussion of women's dream partners, and realizing we'll never find that person, what our realistic expectations are in a partner. We also contrasted that with our minimum requirements to not get out of a relationship. I thought this was a neat topic and required some sort of table(list on here, since I don't know if tables are available) for analysis, but I've been busy all week. I'm done with that other thing now, so I thought I'd throw it out here for discussion.

In a partner (I don't care if you're gay, straight, whatever), what qualities (and I'm not really talking physical appearance here, but if it's essential, go for it) are your real "wants" when looking, what are your "expectations", and what are your "minimum requirements".

I'd put mine, but you all know who I'm dating and that seems kinda meh.

Nexa


Minimal:
Intelligent
Between 2 and 4 years younger than me(I'm 20)
Needs to have a job(I refuse to enter a relationship where I pay for everything)
Must not have any problems whatsoever with public displays of affection
Must live in an actual apartment or house and NOT a hotel room
Honest

Ideal:

Same as above plus:

Glasses
Smaller breasts
Likes to Party(but not too much)
A good sense of humour
Tolerable Parents
Needs to be ok with me spending time with my friends too.



Seems impossible to find someone with all these qualities.

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#62 Apr 04 2008 at 10:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Between 2 and 4 years younger than me(I'm 20)

You won't date someone your own age?

And at age 20, you don't find 16-year-old girls insufferable?


#63 Apr 05 2008 at 1:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Aside from the standard reasonably attractive, good sense of humor, shares my interests or at least tolerates them that most people seem to agree they look for in a prospective mate, I have two key requirements. The first being that she (yes I'm a heterosexual male) not be a smoker. I find smoking to be incredibly unattractive. The second being someone that can sit and enjoy a comfortable silence. I have nothing against a good conversation, but I just can't stand it when people talk for the sake of talking.
#64 Apr 05 2008 at 2:46 AM Rating: Good
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Minimum: Female, Honest, tolerant, romantic, unselfish, faithful.

Female: Bewbies & no *****. I'm pretty strict on that.

Honest & Tolerant: that whole "No, what do you want to do?" spiral. I'd far rather have "Well I'd prefer to see movie A than movie B". We can then talk through options sensibly.
If smoking or drinking are an absolute no-no, then "I'd prefer you didn't smoke/drink" isn't strictly honest. I'd prefer to hear "I don't mind you drinking but I can't be near you if you smoke" so I genuinely know where I stand.
And when I genuinely have no options (E.g. I really do have to work late) I can't stand being asked to make choices that aren't there.

Romantic: self-explanatory

Unselfish: (Money) I don't mind paying for everything, but I do mind being expected to pay for everything.
(Time) I don't expect a girfriend to want to do everything I want to do and vice versa. Separate interests as well as common ones.

Faithful: Never cheated, never will. If you find somebody else, tell me and we can move on.

Ideals: A giggler who can make me giggle.

I don't have any set physical ideals.
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#65 Apr 05 2008 at 3:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Faithful: Never cheated, never will. If you find somebody else, tell me and we can move on.


Smiley: nod

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#66 Apr 05 2008 at 5:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Oh yeah, no cheating is such a gimme I didn't even think to mention it.

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Ok, so you get that person who is ideally perfect. Seems great right? But where is the room to grow. Where is the room to make improvements in your lives together? And if they are perfect now, whats to say they will be perfect in 5 years? If you get someone with some slight blemishes, it makes it easier for them to overlook your own. It also makes it easier to grow together and outgrow those blemishes.


You know, really I would be open to anyone who would be open to me, but I find it difficult to imagine that things would work out if they didn't meet my minimums.

I'll tell you what I hate. Anger, fear, sorrow, and all the things that lead to them. Hatred, ignorance, and selfishness, for example. If a person can't at least try to wage an honorable stand against those things, I don't care how great they are otherwise. I just can't have it.

Most relationships are work, and I already have a job. I'm holding out for one that more or less works on its own.
#67 Apr 05 2008 at 6:01 AM Rating: Good
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and then once they do a complete 360


They're back where they started, and what's the problem?


when where they started is not any place you ever were. Smiley: tongue
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#68 Apr 05 2008 at 7:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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Most relationships are work, and I already have a job. I'm holding out for one that more or less works on its own.


I hate to break it to you, but even the best damn relationship takes a lot of work. If you ever get into the skimming mode, where you just let things go by without much effort in communication, compromise, and sometimes an out and out screaming match, you deal with it later in the long run, and it's not pretty. If you're lucky, you realize this before it's too late. But never fall iunto that fantasy that the perfect relationship works on its own. It's a myth and a dangerous one to believe in.
#69 Apr 05 2008 at 7:24 AM Rating: Good
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I have to go with Nobby's list . Damn near perfect
#70 Apr 05 2008 at 9:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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Kachi wrote:


Most relationships are work, and I already have a job. I'm holding out for one that more or less works on its own.


I hate to break it to you, but even the best damn relationship takes a lot of work. If you ever get into the skimming mode, where you just let things go by without much effort in communication, compromise, and sometimes an out and out screaming match, you deal with it later in the long run, and it's not pretty. If you're lucky, you realize this before it's too late. But never fall iunto that fantasy that the perfect relationship works on its own. It's a myth and a dangerous one to believe in.


So very true. When the other person stops working on it, it's a no-win, you can never do all the work in a relationship with a good outcome. When they stop communicating, or start cheating, it's time to work harder for both, or end it. I have a grudge issue, so ending is better for me. And the, "well, I thought you needed some space" or "I just need some space" is usually a good hint there is a problem.

I look to Nexa to be the nice ex. She's been awesome to her ex from before the split. It took me years to forgive my son's dad, we are now the best of friends, but we could never get together. There were really bad times, and being beat up is never good. My daughter's dad is another story. I have no clue how long he cheated on me and the mental and emotional torment he supplied to me is unforgivable, at least at this time. It's been four years and I still can't stand him. I am nice and civil, but it's hard to forget what he did when he married his mistress. Every time I see them it's like bringing it all up again.
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#71 Apr 05 2008 at 11:20 AM Rating: Decent
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I hate to break it to you, but even the best damn relationship takes a lot of work. If you ever get into the skimming mode, where you just let things go by without much effort in communication, compromise, and sometimes an out and out screaming match, you deal with it later in the long run, and it's not pretty. If you're lucky, you realize this before it's too late. But never fall iunto that fantasy that the perfect relationship works on its own. It's a myth and a dangerous one to believe in.


It's not like I've never been in a relationship before. I disagree with you, but it makes no difference to me. If you're right, then I guess I'll never be in a relationship. What you're describing is not for me.

It's not as though I expect problems to never arise, but it's not going to work for me if they're regularly arising simply because we can't reach a simple consensus on the way things should be dealt with. I'm not talking about ignoring problems. I'm talking about finding someone who isn't so emotionally retarded that they create excess problems and aren't able to cope with the ones that already exist with a little civility, intellect and grace.

I realize that most people, even the normal ones, are insane, so a functional relationship without a lot of effort seems like a fantasy. It doesn't matter how well matched you are with someone if you have individual instabilities in the first place.
#72 Apr 05 2008 at 11:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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you don't have to agree with me. I'm just pointing out what I have seen over time both in relationships, both my own and others. I've got an amazing, rock solid relationship with my husband, going on 9 years married, 12 years together and both of us still make a concerted effort towards our relationship. I hope you find your perfect relationship, but forgive me if I dont hold my breath
#73 Apr 05 2008 at 11:36 AM Rating: Decent
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A concerted effort like... staying on top of the dishes/laundry? Or like a part/full time job? Maybe we're just not understanding one another.

Either way, I have no delusions that I'm likely to find someone. If I'm being generous, 1/10,000 (realistically, closer to the millions or billions). I have no interest in going through even 1000 women to find the right one, so it seems silly to worry about it. Short of someone falling into my lap, I've accepted my solitude.
#74 Apr 05 2008 at 11:44 AM Rating: Good
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Minimum requirements: Male, kind, intelligent, funny, well-read. Economically stable (by this I mean able to contribute to the running of our household. I hold up my end, you hold up yours). No drugs, no smoking, no cheating. Sexually compatible. Wants to make family a priority, not overly invested in the trappings of wealth. Catholic, socially traditional and politically progressive. Pubbies need not apply. Must want kids.


Wants: Spanish-speaking would be a plus. I'd love to share that aspect of myself. I've always liked a tall guy, and appreciated a man that kept up his appearance (well-groomed, not cut like an athlete but not someone that gained 50 lbs and wore only sweatpants and thought nothing of it). It'd be nice to have someone that not only communicated his needs, but learned to read my signals so he could tend to mine.


Expectations: Remember to make me feel that any work I put in to stay attractive is worth it. I can handle a lot, but I don't do trash, plumbing, or lawns. Handle your ****. Don't ever raise your voice. Assume both of us could walk out at any time. I'll put in 110%, and I expect the same, so don't get lazy. Remember what it was without me.
#75 Apr 05 2008 at 11:47 AM Rating: Decent
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#76 Apr 05 2008 at 11:49 AM Rating: Good
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