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#27 Mar 19 2008 at 9:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Do they take French through high school in France? Or Spanish through high school in Spain, out of curiousity?


Well here you get French through university. Granted at that point you should know
how to spell but trust me, French is a lot harder to write properly than English.
#28 Mar 19 2008 at 9:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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English is incredibly powerful for the very reason it is unique in its ability to swallow entire other languages to serve it's own use. No other language has that capacity.


I dunno, I might argue that point, Japanese has an entire character set (Katakana) just for importing foreign vocabulary en masse.
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#29 Mar 19 2008 at 9:24 AM Rating: Default
Being an Independant voter is like wiping your *** before you take a shit.


You're doing something, but not really accomplishing anything.
#30 Mar 19 2008 at 9:37 AM Rating: Good
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Yes, Danny, but to master Japanese you must also learn hiragana and kanji. Kanji is so complex it takes a lifetime to learn the symbology. The three tier architecture of the language along with the differing characters associated with each type make it unwieldy. That and an inability to pronounce their "l's"...

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#31 Mar 19 2008 at 10:38 AM Rating: Good
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Oh, and the only way the fish quote works is if everyone in the country is going to college to get a medical degree and self-serve.

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#32 Mar 19 2008 at 6:10 PM Rating: Good
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Edit: Little history lesson. A lot of the ridiculous rules in English stem directly from an intentionally imposed class stratification in feudal Europe when wealthier merchants who were decidedly neither nobel nor mere peasant wanted a way to distinguish themselves from the poor. If you were poor and uneducated, you wouldn't be able to learn the rules because they were nonsensical and arbitrary.

Even the alphabet is a mess. We have no single letter for the sounds "ch" or "th" yet we have completely useless letters like c, x, and q.

So really, I don't blame our enlightened little society for not being able to promote mastery of the English language by grade 12, even though it could be done by grade 3 or so (vocabulary development aside).


Most of those "ridiculous rules" of English grammar were invented out of whole cloth in the 17th to 19th centuries by "grammarians" who thought English should be modeled after Latin, or decried constructions like the double negative as illogical.

At no point was there some kind of concerted effort to complicate the rules of English grammar to enforce social stratification.



As far as spelling goes, English's tricky spelling is a result of three factors:

1) English was shoehorned into an alphabet taken from a language with completely different phonology. Latin had 5 vowels; English has 15... You try representing 39 phonemes with only 26 letters.
2) Certain spellings were changed primarily for aesthetic reasons.
3) Orthography is highly resistant to change, which means that written English has not kept pace with the last 500 years of English's evolution.

This is why we write "The check is in the mail. I won't come in your mouth." instead of "Ðē cek iz in ðē māl. Ī wōn't kum in yūr mauþ."
#33 Mar 21 2008 at 5:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Phonics aren't emphasized so much as sight reading of words today, thus crippling an entire generation of English users and encouraging ebonics and txt msg spelling.


Phonics aren't that effective precisely because our alphabet and words aren't accurate phonetically. If tha wur, we wud spel mor lik this.

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At no point was there some kind of concerted effort to complicate the rules of English grammar to enforce social stratification.


This is contrary to my references, but I'm not up for arguing the point.
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