Hey, I'm new to "The Asylum", having never posted in this section of the forum before. Anyway I would like to share something that I have been thinking over for the last few weeks. (sorry for the lenght, and i cant spell) Here goes:
I am a registerd independent although I lean to the Republican side. But my delema arises as I feel that it is time for a change in the White House. I wouldn't trust Hilery as far as I could kick her but I really like Obama, except for one key issue that wont allow me to vote for him. Universal Health care. Ill tell you why I don't want the U.S. to adopt this first. I am a smoker and don't feel that it is your responsability to have to pay for my cancer care in the years to come. Neither is it my responsability to pay for AIDS treatment because people don't want to put on a condum, or to pay for every crack-head in Americas drug treatment program. Nor do I want to pay for every 70y/o mans pills so they can get hard ons. I think it is enough that we already pay for Health care for poor ppl and elderly. Granted, these programs need tweeked, I don't dispute that, but It's rediculase to make us responsable for every irresponsable person in America. I have a friend that lives in the U.K and a friend that lives in Finland. Both of these countries have Universal Health care. The taxes that my friend in Finland pays on goods is unbelevable. The price of everything is almost 33% higher in order to pay for this program. And her health care is awful. They told her in May that she could get an appointment to see a doc. for a teeth cleaning in Sept. 4 months! Just for a teeth cleaning. If you have other aliements they wont suggest higher priced test to be done, such as MRI's and CAT scans, in order to save money. The doc. don't care and they get paid way less.
I don't think Republicans will ever vote for Universal Health care, and I hope not. I wish the Dem.'s would see that this isn't a good solution. There really is no 100% solution. But a better idea that i think everyone could embrase and help cure some of our Health care problems is education. I would be all for every person in America to be entitaled to say $40,000 for college tuition. This solution would be much cheaper than "free" health care and also help people to afford health care. Obviosly people with college degrees get better jobs, jobs that have better health care plans and also jobs with higher wages. Higher wages means a better way of life and more than likely a healther life using less money in the long run on health related issues.
In conclussion there is no win all cure all solution. Some people are always going to be rich and some people will always be poor. Some people will need more care than others. But I think for the general public Universal College would be a cheaper and much more fullfilling answer to a long term problem. Give a wo/man a fish (healthcare) and they will eat for a day. Teach a wo/man to fish (college) and they will eat for a lifetime. So if anyone wants too, post some comments, disscuse, and bash my spelling. (i know its coming. XP told you i couldn't spell)
Edited, Mar 17th 2008 9:10am by TinuvialDaGreat
Edited, Mar 17th 2008 9:11am by TinuvialDaGreat
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I would duck and cover now, just to be safe.
lmao thanks for the suggestion. /em runs for the bomb shelter!
1. There will always be low paying jobs and someone has to work them. If everyone in the nation had a degree, some would still need to be the fast food worker, the school custodian, etc. Your "plan" doesn't address this.
2. Just because someone has the money to go to college, doesn't mean they'll get in. You're only looking at college level education and ignoring the fact that k-12 suck in poor areas since we use a property tax based system to fund schools.
3. Your assertion that a college level education is more important than healthcare, and the idea that people younger than 23 (when most people graduate from undergraduate education) don't need any is assinine.
I could go on, but you're boring.
Nexa
2. Just because someone has the money to go to college, doesn't mean they'll get in. You're only looking at college level education and ignoring the fact that k-12 suck in poor areas since we use a property tax based system to fund schools.
3. Your assertion that a college level education is more important than healthcare, and the idea that people younger than 23 (when most people graduate from undergraduate education) don't need any is assinine.
I could go on, but you're boring.
Nexa
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.â€
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
Oh, and the only way the fish quote works is if everyone in the country is going to college to get a medical degree and self-serve.
Nexa
Nexa
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.â€
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
Your right Nexa there will still be fast food and low paying jobs. These jobs aren't ment to be careers. They are to be used as stepping stones and exp. Not many ppl are retiring from Mcdonalds these days as it is now. Ppl should want to better them selves and seek better empoyment. If someones ambitions are to retire from these jobs then no amount of public assistance can ever help them.
As far as K-12 goes that is a completely different issue. If a child goes to school and succedes in any school even the one from the poorest background I don't think a college admission office is going to take in account that "hay, this kid when to a ****** school but has a 3.7, lets not admitt them" If people don't want to better them selves is it our responsablity to let them cost thru life on our bill?
And last i checked any child still in school, including college, is still coverd by their parents healthcare, or was in the case of myself and my sister. You had some interesting ideas though, sorry to be so boring next time ill try to be exciting.
As far as K-12 goes that is a completely different issue. If a child goes to school and succedes in any school even the one from the poorest background I don't think a college admission office is going to take in account that "hay, this kid when to a ****** school but has a 3.7, lets not admitt them" If people don't want to better them selves is it our responsablity to let them cost thru life on our bill?
And last i checked any child still in school, including college, is still coverd by their parents healthcare, or was in the case of myself and my sister. You had some interesting ideas though, sorry to be so boring next time ill try to be exciting.
TinuvialDaGreat wrote:
Your right Nexa there will still be fast food and low paying jobs. These jobs aren't ment to be careers. They are to be used as stepping stones and exp. Not many ppl are retiring from Mcdonalds these days as it is now. Ppl should want to better them selves and seek better empoyment. If someones ambitions are to retire from these jobs then no amount of public assistance can ever help them.
As far as K-12 goes that is a completely different issue. If a child goes to school and succedes in any school even the one from the poorest background I don't think a college admission office is going to take in account that "hay, this kid when to a sh*tty school but has a 3.7, lets not admitt them" If people don't want to better them selves is it our responsablity to let them cost thru life on our bill?
And last i checked any child still in school, including college, is still coverd by their parents healthcare, or was in the case of myself and my sister. You had some interesting ideas though, sorry to be so boring next time ill try to be exciting.
As far as K-12 goes that is a completely different issue. If a child goes to school and succedes in any school even the one from the poorest background I don't think a college admission office is going to take in account that "hay, this kid when to a sh*tty school but has a 3.7, lets not admitt them" If people don't want to better them selves is it our responsablity to let them cost thru life on our bill?
And last i checked any child still in school, including college, is still coverd by their parents healthcare, or was in the case of myself and my sister. You had some interesting ideas though, sorry to be so boring next time ill try to be exciting.
I don't know about all healthcare, but VA benefits ended for me @ 24 years old.
TinuvialDaGreat wrote:
Your right Nexa there will still be fast food and low paying jobs. These jobs aren't ment to be careers. They are to be used as stepping stones and exp. Not many ppl are retiring from Mcdonalds these days as it is now. Ppl should want to better them selves and seek better empoyment. If someones ambitions are to retire from these jobs then no amount of public assistance can ever help them.
Your personal opinion on what jobs are appropriate to what person aren't really relevant. "People should want..." Get off your high horse. I'm not just talking about McDonalds here, there will always be manual labor jobs that do not require a college education and don't offer insurance.
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As far as K-12 goes that is a completely different issue. If a child goes to school and succedes in any school even the one from the poorest background I don't think a college admission office is going to take in account that "hay, this kid when to a sh*tty school but has a 3.7, lets not admitt them" If people don't want to better them selves is it our responsablity to let them cost thru life on our bill?
Kids at ****** schools often don't get a 3.7, even if they're smart. They're busy trying not to get stabbed.
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And last i checked any child still in school, including college, is still coverd by their parents healthcare, or was in the case of myself and my sister. You had some interesting ideas though, sorry to be so boring next time ill try to be exciting.
1. This only works if your parents HAVE health insurance.
2. No, everyone doesn't coast through on Mom and Dad's dime. It must be nice being well off and well taken care of so that you have the time to sit around making judgements about what people who were born with less than you deserve.
Nexa
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.â€
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
I am a registerd independent
This caused me to think you were a moron.
although I lean to the Republican side.
This confirmed it.
The price of everything is almost 33% higher in order to pay for this program. And her health care is awful. They told her in May that she could get an appointment to see a doc. for a teeth cleaning in Sept. 4 months! Just for a teeth cleaning.
Yeah, it's just awful, I guess that's why they have lower infant mortality, live longer, and have no poverty while occupying a frozen wasteland.
Who wants that system! Trade higher taxes for living longer and less dead babies? Outrageous. I'd much rather pay ten times as much for health care that gets poorer results and cripples the middle class. Just as long as we don't call it a "tax" when managed health care rates all increase by the same margin eery year.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
As far as K-12 goes that is a completely different issue. If a child goes to school and succedes in any school even the one from the poorest background I don't think a college admission office is going to take in account that "hay, this kid when to a sh*tty school but has a 3.7, lets not admitt them"
Of course they do, fuckstick. Why do you think standardized testing was created? Wait, I don't have six hours for you to apply your deductive reasoning skills here: It was created because a 3.7 from Exeter and a 3.7 from Assfuck West Virgina High couldn't be equated.
Disclaimer:
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
TinuvialDaGreat wrote:
I am a smoker and don't feel that it is your responsability to have to pay for my cancer care in the years to come. Neither is it my responsability to pay for AIDS treatment because people don't want to put on a condum, or to pay for every crack-head in Americas drug treatment program.
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I have a friend that lives in the U.K and a friend that lives in Finland. Both of these countries have Universal Health care. The taxes that my friend in Finland pays on goods is unbelevable. The price of everything is almost 33% higher in order to pay for this program.
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And her health care is awful. They told her in May that she could get an appointment to see a doc. for a teeth cleaning in Sept. 4 months! Just for a teeth cleaning.
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If you have other aliements they wont suggest higher priced test to be done, such as MRI's and CAT scans, in order to save money.
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This solution would be much cheaper than "free" health care and also help people to afford health care. Obviosly people with college degrees get better jobs, jobs that have better health care plans and also jobs with higher wages. Higher wages means a better way of life and more than likely a healther life using less money in the long run on health related issues.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Holy ****. Saying you can't spell is quite the understatement. That's like saying Britney Spears is just a little unbalanced. Did you just decide to randomly skip paragraphs and transpose letters as you hammered away on your keyboard like a frenzied monkey intent on clawing through the plastic to get to a banana under the desk? Freaking atrocious.
Totem
Totem
Nexa wrote:
1. There will always be low paying jobs and someone has to work them. If everyone in the nation had a degree, some would still need to be the fast food worker, the school custodian, etc. Your "plan" doesn't address this.
Guest worker program. Sheesh! :)
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
gbaji wrote:
Nexa wrote:
1. There will always be low paying jobs and someone has to work them. If everyone in the nation had a degree, some would still need to be the fast food worker, the school custodian, etc. Your "plan" doesn't address this.
Guest worker program. Sheesh! :)
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Totem wrote:
Holy ****. Saying you can't spell is quite the understatement. That's like saying Britney Spears is just a little unbalanced. Did you just decide to randomly skip paragraphs and transpose letters as you hammered away on your keyboard like a frenzied monkey intent on clawing through the plastic to get to a banana under the desk? Freaking atrocious.
Totem
Totem
S/he spelled well enough to be understandable. I'm willing to put up with a lot, so we can have some dissenting views on this board.
Huh. I guess I'm just a spelling snob then. I've always associated proper spelling and a command of the written word with intellect-- something that my former teachers instilled in me. Apparently present day education no longer emphasises the importance of the mastery of language.
Let's face it, mangling your words does not lend credence to your argument, does it? Smasharoo aside (who is given a dispensation on this board for reasons I won't get into right now), if you can't spell, I believe it presents a picture of you to the world that you are either too stupid to learn or too lazy to bother to learn. Neither is particularly attractive.
Totem
Let's face it, mangling your words does not lend credence to your argument, does it? Smasharoo aside (who is given a dispensation on this board for reasons I won't get into right now), if you can't spell, I believe it presents a picture of you to the world that you are either too stupid to learn or too lazy to bother to learn. Neither is particularly attractive.
Totem
I would perhaps be more tolerable of grammar pedantry if English weren't such a @#%^ed up languaged to begin with.
Edit: Little history lesson. A lot of the ridiculous rules in English stem directly from an intentionally imposed class stratification in feudal Europe when wealthier merchants who were decidedly neither nobel nor mere peasant wanted a way to distinguish themselves from the poor. If you were poor and uneducated, you wouldn't be able to learn the rules because they were nonsensical and arbitrary.
Even the alphabet is a mess. We have no single letter for the sounds "ch" or "th" yet we have completely useless letters like c, x, and q.
So really, I don't blame our enlightened little society for not being able to promote mastery of the English language by grade 12, even though it could be done by grade 3 or so (vocabulary development aside).
Edited, Mar 19th 2008 8:55am by Kachi
Edit: Little history lesson. A lot of the ridiculous rules in English stem directly from an intentionally imposed class stratification in feudal Europe when wealthier merchants who were decidedly neither nobel nor mere peasant wanted a way to distinguish themselves from the poor. If you were poor and uneducated, you wouldn't be able to learn the rules because they were nonsensical and arbitrary.
Even the alphabet is a mess. We have no single letter for the sounds "ch" or "th" yet we have completely useless letters like c, x, and q.
So really, I don't blame our enlightened little society for not being able to promote mastery of the English language by grade 12, even though it could be done by grade 3 or so (vocabulary development aside).
Edited, Mar 19th 2008 8:55am by Kachi
Kachi wrote:
I would perhaps be more tolerable of grammar pedantry if English weren't such a @#%^ed up languaged to begin with.
Weak sauce. One is expected to be fluent in one's native language. There are really no acceptable excuses.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Look again. I just gave you one.
Samira wrote:
Kachi wrote:
I would perhaps be more tolerable of grammar pedantry if English weren't such a @#%^ed up languaged to begin with.
Weak sauce. One is expected to be fluent in one's native language. There are really no acceptable excuses.
Oh I don't know. Having one's native language be English is a better excuse than most other languages with firmer rules have.
Do they take French through high school in France? Or Spanish through high school in Spain, out of curiousity?
Nexa
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.â€
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
Did you really learn much new in Senior English? Because I didn't.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Samira wrote:
Did you really learn much new in Senior English? Because I didn't.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
RACK Sammy. All the reasons why English is difficult is just a smokescreen for a lack of basic memorization at the early grade levels. Phonics aren't emphasized so much as sight reading of words today, thus crippling an entire generation of English users and encouraging ebonics and txt msg spelling.
While it may seem to be doing the new user a favor by easing the use of English, it actually hobbles the writer and reader by limiting the expanse of the language's ability. Like anything, practice makes for proficiency. English is incredibly powerful for the very reason it is unique in its ability to swallow entire other languages to serve it's own use. No other language has that capacity. This also adds complexity as Kachi states, but does not negate the necessity of properly wielding it.
Totem
While it may seem to be doing the new user a favor by easing the use of English, it actually hobbles the writer and reader by limiting the expanse of the language's ability. Like anything, practice makes for proficiency. English is incredibly powerful for the very reason it is unique in its ability to swallow entire other languages to serve it's own use. No other language has that capacity. This also adds complexity as Kachi states, but does not negate the necessity of properly wielding it.
Totem
Do kids learn how to diagram sentences any more? That helped my understanding of English grammar and usage more than any number of rote rules.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Samira wrote:
Did you really learn much new in Senior English? Because I didn't.
I didn't take English my senior year. That's probably why I always misspell receive and misspell.
Nexa
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.â€
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
Wal-Mart is rolling out health care for employees, starting out at $5 a paycheck for bare bones emergency coverage.
NPR this morning interviewed a 61 year old greeter, who had this bare bones plan. He had a heart attack and needed surgery. Even with his el-cheapo plan from Wally World, his bill went from $40,00 down to a $7,000 -- his max deductible. $40,000 is more than his total income for a year. $7K would pinch him a bit, but wouldn't break him.
I don't believe in FREE universal health care. I just don't think it's right for health care companies to deny people coverage because they don't want to absorb the expense.
NPR this morning interviewed a 61 year old greeter, who had this bare bones plan. He had a heart attack and needed surgery. Even with his el-cheapo plan from Wally World, his bill went from $40,00 down to a $7,000 -- his max deductible. $40,000 is more than his total income for a year. $7K would pinch him a bit, but wouldn't break him.
I don't believe in FREE universal health care. I just don't think it's right for health care companies to deny people coverage because they don't want to absorb the expense.
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