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#27 Mar 18 2008 at 5:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Because a candidate is exactly as responsible for some random person who endorses him as he is for the guy who's been his pastor for the last 20 years and has been identified by the candidate as his "spiritual adviser".


If he's close to him that's all the more reason why I don't expect him to chastize the man publicly. Surely there is a person in your family who has some opinions you completely disagree with, but you still love them and remain a part of their life.

I have no end of ignorant, racist relatives that say stuff that turns my stomach from time to time, but you don't just turn your back on someone you've known for decades because they have some extreme opinions, and frankly, some of the things that Wright said, I didn't find offensive at all. I haven't seen all that's been broadcasted, but what I have seen seems more "sad but true" than inflammatory.

Of course, I'm of the mind that if you're a black man in this country you're still entitled to be a bit pissed off at the government, and my sense of nationalism isn't breaking any records. Then there's the fact that maybe if the guy weren't a preacher, known for their dramatic use of hyperbole and bravado, I would take his sentiments more to heart.

Anyway, all that I needed to hear from Obama on the subject was stated plainly in the interview.
#28 Mar 18 2008 at 7:27 AM Rating: Good
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I always love the classic liberal "Vote for me because horrible things are happening!!!" approach... Gives me warm fuzzies all over. --Gabji

It's a "classic" because it happens EVERY TIME the GOP is in power more than four years. --Smash

Every time? Oh really? Bush Sr. follows Reagan after 8 years in the Oval office, just to point out a fallacy in your reasoning based on a recent example of liberal disaster movie group-think.

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#29 Mar 18 2008 at 7:34 AM Rating: Good
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"Perfect storm, so to speak. (Refering to possible Democratic control of both the Senate and House and the White house)" --Smash

Uh-huh. And if that happens the same thing that occured with Newt Gingrich will take place: The ruling party will over-reach and fall out of favor not long after with the voting public, thus adding another chapter in the book called, "Pendulum Politics: A Historical Perspective on Why Voter's Tastes Change Every So Often."

It's written in stone somewhere that any group that takes over control of government eventually (likely sooner rather than later) fails to live up to the low standards they set for themselves and gets booted from power. C'est l'vie.

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#30 Mar 18 2008 at 8:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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Totem wrote:
I always love the classic liberal "Vote for me because horrible things are happening!!!" approach... Gives me warm fuzzies all over. --Gabji

It's a "classic" because it happens EVERY TIME the GOP is in power more than four years. --Smash

Every time? Oh really? Bush Sr. follows Reagan after 8 years in the Oval office, just to point out a fallacy in your reasoning based on a recent example of liberal disaster movie group-think.

Totem


And 502 banks failed. Maybe not the best example.
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#31 Mar 18 2008 at 11:55 AM Rating: Good
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Ok, and what was the result? Reform. Now we have a mortgage loan crisis. what's going to happen? Reform. Big deal. Ultimately these things are self correcting.

Now if you are going to take the position that these things wouldn't or couldn't have taken place (or won't in the future) under a Democratic administration, I'd slowly back out of the room quietly if I were you. While on a different issue, look to the recent Ryan sex scandal where many had a bellylaugh at his expense, only to see if happen to a New York Democratic governor. And his replacement? He innoculates himself by admiting he has had an affair himself. I guess being blind means when he uses his hands as his eyes, he really uses his hands. My point is, trouble and corruption recognises no party lines. And sure as ****, more scandal of all types is eventually headed in both party's way.

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#32 Mar 18 2008 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, and what was the result?


Recession. Oh, and higher taxes of course.


Now if you are going to take the position that these things wouldn't or couldn't have taken place (or won't in the future) under a Democratic administration, I'd slowly back out of the room quietly if I were you.



You're a ******* fool, then. If you can't get the point that every time we lower taxes, don't cut spending, and limit regulation of cooperations we get the same result over and over, you can't be helped.

Don't worry, though, I'm sure that during the Obama Boom something will happen that will lead to a GOP President to **** up the economy again. He'll state that he's in favor of a law teaching kids how to use condoms during gay sex or something, and we'll have President Crist in 2012.


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#34 Mar 18 2008 at 12:17 PM Rating: Good
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I'll assume you meant corporations, not cooperations. However, you are absolutely, totally, utterly 100% correct that cutting spending is completely necessary. So is cutting taxes. So is some regulation of corporations-- not to the extent of what I suspect you think is needed, but yes, at the very least some oversight needs to be provided so that bailouts of the public and lending organizations won't be encouraged or required (take your pick) to happen.

Personally, I think that our government should not engage in a bailout. Let the chips fall where they may. End the crisis as soon as possible. Don't do what the Japanese did, but take our own advice that we gave to them back in the '90s: Take the short term pain and fix the problem instead of slowly drawing it out to cushion the blow to the voting public.

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#35 Mar 18 2008 at 12:28 PM Rating: Good
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trouble and corruption recognises no party lines.


Amen to that.
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#36 Mar 18 2008 at 12:39 PM Rating: Good
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"Don't worry, though, I'm sure that during the Obama Boom something will happen that will lead to a GOP President to @#%^ up the economy again. He'll state that he's in favor of a law teaching kids how to use condoms during gay sex or something, and we'll have President Crist in 2012." --Smasharoo

What I find interesting about this statement is that you are implying that your political beliefs are out of the mainstream of American society. That the people enamored of Obama now will either turn on him or in apathy fail to re-elect him in 2012 due to something that is perceived as immoral or too far reaching in terms of the cultural wars. If this is truely the case, I find it remarkable that you suspect that your typical (if I can call a Democratic candidate that) liberal presidential administration reflects attitudes not in line with the voting majority of the populace.

Hmmm. Perhaps it's time to rethink your position on societal issues, Smash.

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#37 Mar 18 2008 at 1:26 PM Rating: Decent
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What I find interesting about this statement is that you are implying that your political beliefs are out of the mainstream of American society.


You must not read many of my posts. My political beliefs are out of the mainstream of any society.

The main reason for this is that it's in no one's personal financial interest to sell my political beliefs to the "mainstream" as what they should believe this week.


That the people enamored of Obama now will either turn on him or in apathy fail to re-elect him in 2012 due to something that is perceived as immoral or too far reaching in terms of the cultural wars. If this is truly the case, I find it remarkable


That you haven't noticed the last 250 years of political history where this pretty much happens to everyone no matter what? Churchill lost in a massive landslide in 1945. FDR likely would have been defeated soundly in the 50's had he lived. People are fickle.



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#38 Mar 18 2008 at 2:03 PM Rating: Good
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/boggle

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