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#1 Mar 15 2008 at 7:10 PM Rating: Good
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-obamafullwebmar16,0,7569169.story

Looong transcript of the Chicago Tribune interviewing him, mostly about Rezko.


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The most interesting bit, in my opinion, is that both the Sun-Times and the Tribune -- the two papers who have been hounding this story the hardest -- have published columns stating that they're pretty confident that there's nothing more to be had from the story.
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Barack Obama came home Friday and faced up to the questions about his friend Tony Rezko that he’s been ducking for more than a year.

I’m sure he’d disagree with the characterization he’s been ducking, but, either way, I don’t think anybody at this newspaper can make the claim any longer that he hasn’t answered our inquiries after an exhaustive 80-minute interview session Friday evening. I won’t.

He patiently took all comers, and, when it was over, the biggest outstanding question was why he hadn’t done so sooner.

Am I satisfied with all his answers, especially in relation to the house transaction about which I’ve been harping?

Not entirely. But, barring some new facts or information from some other source that would contradict him, I don’t know how much further we can push the issue.
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On the central question: Did Obama do something improper in the purchase of the house?

I see no proof he did, other than that he had no business at all getting involved with Rezko in any personal financial transaction.
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One of the things we learned in the process of preparing to talk with Obama is that even the reporters and columnists at the Sun-Times have a difference of opinion as to the important avenues of inquiry in the Rezko story. The more minds, the better. Just the same, even if he holds a press conference, I doubt the others will get much further than we did.

Obama made the point that if this is the worst thing we can find about him after 12 years in Chicago politics, then he’s done pretty well.

Admitting he made a mistake with Rezko, Obama added: “Does it speak to a trend of mine? No.”

If I have detected any trend in this, it’s only that Obama can be too obstinate when he feels under attack.
The Chicago Tribune wrote:
U.S. Sen. Barack Obama waited 16 months to attempt the exorcism. But when he finally sat down with the Tribune editorial board Friday, Obama offered a lengthy and, to us, plausible explanation for the presence of now-indicted businessman Tony Rezko in his personal and political lives.

The most remarkable facet of Obama's 92-minute discussion was that, at the outset, he pledged to answer every question the Tribune journalists crammed into the room would put to him. And he did.
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When we endorsed Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination Jan. 27, we said we had formed our opinions of him during 12 years of scrutiny. We concluded that the professional judgment and personal decency with which he has managed himself and his ambition distinguish him.

Nothing Obama said in our editorial board room Friday diminishes that verdict.
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Obama should have had Friday's discussion 16 months ago. Asked why he didn't, he spoke of learning, uncomfortably, what it's like to live in a fishbowl. That made him perhaps too eager to protect personal information—too eager to "control the narrative."

Less protection, less control, would have meant less hassle for his campaign. That said, Barack Obama now has spoken about his ties to Tony Rezko in uncommon detail. That's a standard for candor by which other presidential candidates facing serious inquiries now can be judged.
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The most interesting bit, in my opinion, is that both the Sun-Times and the Tribune -- the two papers who have been hounding this story the hardest -- have published columns stating that they're pretty confident that there's nothing more to be had from the story.


Doesn't matter. You should know better than that by now.
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Doesn't matter. You should know better than that by now.
My reasoning for why it "matters" is because the two Chicago dailies are responsible for probably 85% of the Rezko media investigation & stories. Their response to the interview helps set the tone for the Rezko debate and partially controls how much coverage the story gets at all.

Exhibit A: The Tribune doesn't have a Rezko story on the front of its site for the first time in 3+ weeks. The Sun-Times has a short piece on the Rezko trial but it doesn't mention Obama for once. Previously, they always threw in a bit about how Obama knew him even if it didn't relate to the story.

I'm not going to pull a Gbaji and say that "this is huge" but I do think it's relevant.
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I'm not going to pull a Gbaji and say that "this is huge" but I do think it's relevant.


Relevant in that there isn't a giant campaign ending revelation, sure. Relevant in that it's going to prevent Clinton surrogates from implying that Obamma was walking down State street with a tin cup and a sign reading "will peddle influence for campaign funds" at every opportunity, not so much.

On the other hand, attending sermons that include the phrase "God bless America, no, God DAMN America" will likely diminish it's importance, so there's that.
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On the other hand, attending sermons that include the phrase "God bless America, no, God DAMN America" will likely diminish it's importance, so there's that.
Obama should start telling people that he's a Muslim.
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#7 Mar 17 2008 at 7:21 AM Rating: Good
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Mr. Barack Hussein Obama can thank his lucky stars you're not his camaign manager. He's got enough trouble from having a Muzzie middle name as it is. It's a wonder his father didn't name him Jamal Sequisha Dejionaise Jackson "Ho Slappah" Obama just to make sure he started life properly as a black man dealing crack from the street corner.

Sheesh. What, had Adolph already been taken as a middle name by a family member and wasn't available?

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Hussein means "Handsome One". I think it's appropriate. Grrowl.

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Sure, but the alternative meaning is, "I like to gas the Kurds" too.

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On the other hand, attending sermons that include the phrase "God bless America, no, God DAMN America" will likely diminish it's importance, so there's that.



Yup. Somewhat surprised that these papers even bothered with the Rezco thing when the "big story" breaking make it pretty irrelevant.


The wheels on the Obama bus basically fell off this weekend...
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The wheels on the Obama bus basically fell off this weekend...


Hahahaha, no. Idiots that wouldn't vote for him because of what his pastor said should be trying to assassinate McCain considering the endorsement's he's pulled in recently from complete pie in the sky wackos. If you mean the Primary, that was over after Wisconsin. Obama's the nominee, and this stuff will be long long long forgotten by November when gas hits $4 a gallon.

What the wheels came off of this weekend was the predictable lie that GOP fiscal policy ever works. How many times do we have to see the lax regulation, government bail out, recession cycle before morons get it? Oh wait, I forgot who I was responding to.

Dollar at it's weakest in half a century, great! Gasoline at it's highest price ever on an inflation adjusted basis! Oil too! Consumer confidence plummeting! home values declining! Everything's great! Nothing to see here!



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The wheels on the Obama bus basically fell off this weekend...


Hahahaha, no. Idiots that wouldn't vote for him because of what his pastor said should be trying to assassinate McCain considering the endorsement's he's pulled in recently from complete pie in the sky wackos.


Yeah. Because a candidate is exactly as responsible for some random person who endorses him as he is for the guy who's been his pastor for the last 20 years and has been identified by the candidate as his "spiritual adviser".


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If you mean the Primary, that was over after Wisconsin. Obama's the nominee, and this stuff will be long long long forgotten by November when gas hits $4 a gallon.

What the wheels came off of this weekend was the predictable lie that GOP fiscal policy ever works. How many times do we have to see the lax regulation, government bail out, recession cycle before morons get it? Oh wait, I forgot who I was responding to.

Dollar at it's weakest in half a century, great! Gasoline at it's highest price ever on an inflation adjusted basis! Oil too! Consumer confidence plummeting! home values declining! Everything's great! Nothing to see here!



I always love the classic liberal "Vote for me because horrible things are happening!!!" approach... Gives me warm fuzzies all over.


How bad must your candidate be that you're pinning your hopes of victory on things being so bad that they'll have to vote for him without looking too closely?
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Yeah. Because a candidate is exactly as responsible for some random person who endorses him as he is for the guy who's been his pastor for the last 20 years and has been identified by the candidate as his "spiritual adviser".


No, he's vastly vastly more responsible for seeking out the endorsements of people he barely knows and standing on stage with them praising them blindly. See if you can't riddle out why.


I always love the classic liberal "Vote for me because horrible things are happening!!!" approach... Gives me warm fuzzies all over.


It's a "classic" because it happens EVERY TIME the GOP is in power more than four years.


How bad must your candidate be that you're pinning your hopes of victory on things being so bad that they'll have to vote for him without looking too closely?


Actually we're quite fortunate in that he's an exceptional candidate who likely pull in an increasing majority to both houses of Congress. Perfect storm, so to speak. Well, I mean, we all knew the whole "cut taxes and spend a trillion on a war" thing was guaranteed to lead to a crippled economy, but the other parts were fortuitous.
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No, he's vastly vastly more responsible for seeking out the endorsements of people he barely knows and standing on stage with them praising them blindly. See if you can't riddle out why.


Um... Sure Smash.

For the people Obama needs to win over in order to have a chance in the general election, it's the pastor thing that's going to matter. Trust me. No one even knows what the hell you're talking about with regard to McCain. Everyone has heard Reverend Writes recorded diatribe against America and Obamas incredibly weak response(s).

Seriously. Who in his staff thought: "Just say he's stepping down and it'll all go away" was a good strategy for this? It's not like Write has been just about to step down for the last 20 years while Obama has attended and been "active" in his church.

Incredible fail. I actually expected a much better response from Obama. Maybe a bit of that "he's a superman!" was rubbing off on me or something. But he sounded just like every other politician responding lamely to a scandalous situation on this. Worse, since there's really no way to back out of it. Doubly worse when combined with his Wifes multiple statements past and present that seem to echo Write's position on America...

This is a "wheels falling off the bus" moment for the Obama campaign. Anyone who hasn't had their head buried in magic Obama sand for the last year knows it. It's possible those wheels could be put back on, but not with what we've seen from Obama over the last few days on this issue. And not if Obama and his "fans" don't realize that this really is a big deal to the people they need to win over. As long as they pretend they can just gloss it over and the faithful will continue to flock to him, this will get worse. Much much worse...

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I always love the classic liberal "Vote for me because horrible things are happening!!!" approach... Gives me warm fuzzies all over.


It's a "classic" because it happens EVERY TIME the GOP is in power more than four years.


No. It's classic because you Liberals are like the broken clock of the political world. You say the same thing constantly, and kinda hope that conditions match what you say.

How many years has the "economy been in the dumpster" Smash? Now maybe it will go into recession coming up here soon. Who knows? But you've been wrong for the last 7 years straight that you kept predicting recession. What're the odds you'll be right this time?

So yeah. I find it amusing, in a "boy who cried wolf" kind of way...
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For the people Obama needs to win over in order to have a chance in the general election, it's the pastor thing that's going to matter.

Flag-waving fake patriots afraid of black people? Pretty sure Obama wasn't going to win them over in the first place.

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For the people Obama needs to win over in order to have a chance in the general election, it's the pastor thing that's going to matter.

Flag-waving fake patriots afraid of black people? Pretty sure Obama wasn't going to win them over in the first place.




Is the world so "black and white" to you that anyone who might be a offended by a preacher saying that instead of "God bless America", it should be "God damn America", must be "flag waving fake patriots afraid of black people"?


Some of us are simply offended by the language and concerned that a politician would choose to attend a church like that for 20 years and then pretend that he didn't know what his preacher was saying. Yeah. Right...
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Some of us are simply offended by the language

Yes. Some of you. Simpletons.


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Some of us are simply offended by the language

Yes. Some of you. Simpletons.


Er? Is that seriously the best you can do?

I've been saying for months now that Obama is more "far left liberal" then most people in the middle and the right know. This is likely to be one of many "clue ins" that will educate people on this. I expect more to follow. This guy apparently has no end to radical skeletons in his closet. Now that the media has stopped looking at him with fan-tinted glasses, he's going to get mauled I suspect.

Failing to respond to this adequately will absolutely kill Obama's chances in the general election. But hey! You guys keep drinking the koolaide if you want.
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You do know that 'God' isn't a real person, right??

Edited, Mar 17th 2008 11:22pm by paulsol
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gbaji wrote:
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Some of us are simply offended by the language
Yes. Some of you. Simpletons.
Er? Is that seriously the best you can do?
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You guys keep drinking the koolaide if you want.
Pot. Kettle?
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You do know that 'God' isn't a real person, right??


You know that the person in question is a preacher, right?
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gbaji wrote:
Some of us are simply offended by the language
Yes. Some of you. Simpletons.
Er? Is that seriously the best you can do?
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You guys keep drinking the koolaide if you want.
Pot. Kettle?


At least my response made sense Joph. It was clever *and* matched up with what I was accusing the Obama apologists of doing.

His? Not so much. Oh wow! He's so clever. He quoted a sentence where I used the words "some of us" and "simply" and brilliantly responded by twisting them around to form a smart retort that had absolutely nothing to do with anything. But hey! He called us "simpletons", and that's good enough, isn't it?


How low does the asylum bar for this sort of thing go? Do we resort to "You're wrong times infinity!" next?
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Actually the simpletons pun was unintentional. Maybe it was done subconciously. But I really just meant that you and that sort of people are simpletons.

Also, I just realized, I don't understand how the fact that you take offense proves that the comment will sway potential Obama voters. You are a potential Obama voter?



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At least my response made sense Joph.
At least you won't be accused of originality Smiley: rolleyes
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I dunno. Is that lower than resorting to hackneyed memes?
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At least my response made sense Joph. It was clever


No.

I think, as is often the case, you're confused as to what "clever" means. You must be.

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#26 Mar 18 2008 at 1:45 AM Rating: Good
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Some of us are simply offended by the language


No, you're not. Stop lying. You're just glad you found an opportunity to throw some mud on Obama. That's all this is about.

So, let me get this right. The media took a couple of quotes, out of context, from thousands of sermons of a black pastor concerned about social problems and poverty, and just because he said "God damn America" for failing to address the extreme levels of poverty that can be found there, you guys throw a hissy fit?

Is that really all you've got to whine about?

Not only that, but how does that show that Obama is "very far-left"? Do you even know what "far-left" means?

Seriously, you guys are a bit crazy. If a Church of England pastor, where Gordon Brown had been, had said "Shame on England" for failing to address extreme levels of poverty, no one would've bat an eyelid. Or, actually, only self-righteous nationlists skinheads would've made a fuss.

But, I guess, there are some positives. If that's all you guys got on Obama, then really, we don't have much to worry about.
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