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#1 Mar 11 2008 at 5:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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So when I first heard this thing with Governor Spitzer I pretty much ignored it. Northeast governor has sex with someone not his wife. Big deal. At least this time is was a woman. But I was watching hardball earlier waiting for actual election coverage and half listening to their commentary on Spitzer when I suddenly sat up and started to listen. I had thought he was just caught in some investigation through some secondary means. But no. How he was caught should be the story, now what he was doing.

They said that he was caught when his bank sent a routine notification to the IRS about a payment that looked suspicious. Apparantly banks send millions of these things every year. He paid an individual $5,500 and the bank thought that amount was suspicious so it sent it along to the IRS to investigate. Then some bored IRS employee who was looking through the day's submissions by all the local banks noticed Spitzer's name and decided this was juicy enough to follow up on. This led to the wire tap and this whole brew ha ha.

Shouldn't we be a little disturbed that the IRS is able to comb through random bank transactions looking for juicy tid bits that they can investigate? If I send a check to a friend in another country, am I now to expect the IRS or the FBI to open a file on me? How much have we lost our sense of privacy that this is not even looked at as an issue?

I could care less that some governer is porking a prostitute at his hotel room. But I do care that something as private as where and how we spend our money is regularly scrutinized by the government. Am I just crazy in thinking this?
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#2 Mar 11 2008 at 5:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Patriot Act requires banks to do this.

To protect the children from dirty money laundering terrorists.

You should FoI your FBI file if you want to be worried. Hell, you've been to China, who knows what else you did there while buying a child from gypsies.

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#3 Mar 11 2008 at 5:25 PM Rating: Good
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As some would say tho. If you don't have anything to hide, you don't need to worry yourself that the gubbernment has decided its ok to spy on you via your bank account/internet usage/phone taps etc.

Its for your own good. You know, to protect you from the terrorists.

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How much have we lost our sense of privacy


More than most would be willing to believe, would be the answer to that.

Good luck on turning the clock back tho.
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#4 Mar 11 2008 at 5:31 PM Rating: Decent
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So, it was Spitzers sloppy cover-ups that brought down the whole prostitute ring. What a hoser.

paulsol the Righteous wrote:
As some would say tho. If you don't have anything to hide, you don't need to worry yourself that the gubbernment has decided its ok to spy on you via your bank account/internet usage/phone taps etc.

Its for your own good. You know, to protect you from the terrorists.

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More than most would be willing to believe, would be the answer to that.

Good luck on turning the clock back tho.
I blame computers as I'm sick of blaming everything on Bush.



Edited, Mar 12th 2008 3:55am by Elinda
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#5 Mar 11 2008 at 6:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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#6 Mar 11 2008 at 6:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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You're not helping Alla, she's even dressed as a gypsy there.

Also: she's getting big and stop making me feel old.

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#7 Mar 11 2008 at 6:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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That's the outfit of a padawan of the Jedi Academy. Anyone can see that.
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Where exactly does one get to fight Darth Vaders these days anyways?
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#9 Mar 11 2008 at 6:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Allakhazam Defender of Justice wrote:
That's the outfit of a padawan of the Jedi Academy. Anyone can see that.


You have no sense of humor these days Alla...you forgot to take off your other hat.

Gypsy or padawan, she's still lookin' pretty cute.

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#10 Mar 11 2008 at 6:19 PM Rating: Good
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Where exactly does one get to fight Darth Vaders these days anyways?
Duh. Alla's living room.
#11 Mar 11 2008 at 6:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nexa wrote:
Allakhazam Defender of Justice wrote:
That's the outfit of a padawan of the Jedi Academy. Anyone can see that.


You have no sense of humor these days Alla...you forgot to take off your other hat.

Gypsy or padawan, she's still lookin' pretty cute.

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lol. That was sarcasm.

You can fight Vader at Hollywood Studios in Disney World of course.
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Allakhazam Defender of Justice wrote:

You can fight Vader at Hollywood Studios in Disney World of course.


We really need to have an Allakhazam staff picknic... I know, lets go there! Darkflame's buying!
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#14 Mar 11 2008 at 8:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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I tried to do that as well while in Disney World last summer. Apparently, I'm too "old" to fight Darth Vader.

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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Allakhazam Defender of Justice wrote:

You can fight Vader at Hollywood Studios in Disney World of course.


We really need to have an Allakhazam staff picknic... I know, lets go there! Allakhazam's buying!


FTFY FOOL
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I tried to do that as well while in Disney World last summer. Apparently, I'm too "old" to fight Darth Vader.

@#%^.



They have it @ Disneyland, too. They told me I was too big. Bastards.



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Allakhazam Defender of Justice wrote:
lol. That was sarcasm.

You can fight Vader at Hollywood Studios in Disney World of course.

You can also get butt-checked by local Stormtroopers there as well, it seems.
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Mistress Darqflame wrote:
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Allakhazam Defender of Justice wrote:

You can fight Vader at Hollywood Studios in Disney World of course.


We really need to have an Allakhazam staff picknic... I know, lets go there! Allakhazam's buying then getting investigated by the FBI for suspicious spending!


FTFY FOOL

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#19 Mar 12 2008 at 4:38 AM Rating: Good
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In the aftermath of the attacks in 2001, the attorney general of NY asked for banks to have a close scrutiny of unusual transactions.
The AG was Spitzer.
#20 Mar 12 2008 at 5:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Allakhazam Defender of Justice wrote:
They said that he was caught when his bank sent a routine notification to the IRS about a payment that looked suspicious. Apparantly banks send millions of these things every year. He paid an individual $5,500 and the bank thought that amount was suspicious so it sent it along to the IRS to investigate. Then some bored IRS employee who was looking through the day's submissions by all the local banks noticed Spitzer's name and decided this was juicy enough to follow up on. This led to the wire tap and this whole brew ha ha.

NPR had a pretty interesting story about these inquiries into banking transactions. Apparently Spitzer would not likely have come under the microscope had he not been on the "Politically Exposed Person" list.

Ironically, in addition to the patriot act requiring that banks scrutinize all transactions, in 2001 NY attorney general, in response to scandals on Wall Street, insisted that banks acquire this powerful software that flags various different types of transactions. Smiley: grin
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#21 Mar 12 2008 at 5:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Holy hell, I'm sure there's a dossier on me then. I sent my brother thousands of dollars last year. In TEXAS.

/waits for the knock at the door

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#22 Mar 12 2008 at 8:34 AM Rating: Good
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When I worked as a registered rep (sold stocks and mutual funds), the limit was 10,000k. Anything less was not required to be reported.

Basically, his name and the fact that he has pissed off a lot of high level ups is the reason Liberty City now has a new govenor!
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When I worked as a registered rep (sold stocks and mutual funds), the limit was 10,000k. Anything less was not required to be reported.



This is my understanding as well. And it applies to any type of financial transaction. If you write a check for over $10,000, or do a withdrawal, or a transfer, it's flagged and looked at for potential criminal action. This isn't anything new. I've known several people who worked at banks and have heard this from one or another for at least 20 years.


And while I'm not sure, I don't think Spitzer's flag had anything to do with 9/11 or the Patriot Act. I believe that specific people are tracked for suspicious activity regardless of amount (the PEP list talked about on the article). Basically, the assumption is that CEOs and public officials are in the greatest position to be involved in money laundering and/or bribery, so they look a bit closer. If there are multiple transactions in a short amount of time, it could indicate that they're deliberately trying to avoid getting flagged for the 10k thing. So I pay you several 5k payments instead of one big one. Normal people will get away with this. If you're someone of interest, this will get flagged and looked at.

I believe this type of listing has been around for a long time. I know that the SEC pays closer attention to money transactions by those sorts of people and have for at least 15 years.


What's strange is that in his position he should have known about this. You almost have to wonder how he thought he'd get away with this?
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If you write a check for over $10,000, or do a withdrawal, or a transfer, it's flagged and looked at for potential criminal action. This isn't anything new.
That wouldn't be, but the 10K rule no longer applies. Sine the Patriot Act, they look at your income, movements, purchases, anything that sets up a pattern. The software looks for any deviations in the pattern and assigns you a risk number between 1-100. You could buy 10 sandwiches at 10 different stores in a row, and it would flag the transaction as a potential money-laundering scheme.
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Damn it, that's the last time I go sandwich store hopping!
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#26 Mar 18 2008 at 7:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Shouldn't we be a little disturbed that the IRS is able to comb through random bank transactions looking for juicy tid bits that they can investigate? If I send a check to a friend in another country, am I now to expect the IRS or the FBI to open a file on me? How much have we lost our sense of privacy that this is not even looked at as an issue?


Believe it or not, this was going on even before the patriot act took effect. most only knew it as the "10k" rule - Any transaction over 10k gets sent in to be looked at - but it was also being done on a smaller scale.

I bank with a local bank and for years, they monitored my transactions and would even lock my account if a weird transaction occurred. It was a "protection against fraud." For instance, I went overseas and forgot to tell my bank I was going to Europe, and the first time I tried to use my ATM card and my C.C., they immediately canceled them.

And PEP's have always been under scrutiny as well as anyone who does lots of business overseas.

Now a bank manager actually told me that normal people will never make the list that gets sent to the IRS. He stated that there is a score that gets applied to every person, and unless you meet certain criteria, you won't be on the list. The score itself is not based upon 1 transaction, but it's based upon your banking history, your age, your location, how much the transactions are, even your credit score.

So spending $200 at the local Supermarket won't put you very high, wiring $200 to IRAN might put you higher on the list. But the one transaction alone won't be the determining factor.
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