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16,000 Republicans in Cuyahoga crossed over and voted DemocrFollow

#1 Mar 10 2008 at 8:33 AM Rating: Good
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A staggering 16,000-plus Republicans in Cuyahoga County switched parties when they voted in last week's primary.

That includes 931 in Rocky River, 1,027 in Westlake and 1,142 in Strongsville. More than a third of the Republicans in Solon and Bay Village switched. Pepper Pike had the most dramatic change: just under half its Republicans became Democrats. And some of those who changed - it's difficult to say how many - could be in trouble with the law.

At least one member of the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections wants to investigate some Republicans who may have crossed party lines only to influence which Democrat would face presumed Republican nominee John McCain in November.

Those who crossed lines were supposed to sign a pledge card vowing allegiance to their new party.

In Cuyahoga County, dozens and dozens of Republicans scribbled addendums onto their pledges as new Democrats:

"For one day only."

"I don't believe in abortion."

A Plain Dealer review of thousands of records showed few of those who switched were challenged by poll workers.

Sandy McNair, a Democratic member of the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections, said Friday that the manipulation of the system was troublesome.

"It's something that concerns me, that I think needs to be looked at further," McNair said. "This is not a structural thing by the Republican Party. If it's a problem at all, it's on an individual level."

Lying on the pledge is a felony, punishable by six to 12 months in jail and a $2,500 fine. Election watchers said they don't know any cases that have been prosecuted in Ohio. And it's unlikely the Republican crossovers influenced the outcome since Clinton handily defeated Barack Obama, said Edward Foley, an election-law professor at Ohio State University.

But he said Ohioans need to learn the rules governing their voting - and poll workers need to enforce them.

In a nutshell, here's how it's supposed to work: Ohio voters are allowed to switch party affiliations on the day of a primary election but only if they sign a pledge vowing to support their new party - and mean it. If a majority of poll workers at a precinct doubt a voter's sincerity, they can challenge the voter even if the voter signed the pledge.

In the days following the election, The Plain Dealer interviewed more than two dozen voters - most of them Republicans who crossed over to Democrats last week.

None - including five who acknowledged lying about supporting the Democrats - were challenged. And several said poll workers never asked them to sign a pledge but gave them a Democratic ticket.

A movement is afoot...

Some Republicans refer to it as "the plot."

It started a few weeks ago when conservative radio powerhouse Rush Limbaugh suggested that his Republican following cross over during the primary to vote for Clinton. Clinton, Limbaugh argued, would be easier for McCain to beat in November than Obama. Soon, local morning radio show host Bob Frantz echoed Limbaugh on WTAM AM/1100, and the buzz began to grow.

Cuyahoga County Republican Chairman Rob Frost tried to tamp down the temptation. He contacted Republican voters and appeared on the Frantz show urging Republicans "not to heed the siren call of Rush Limbaugh and others."

"Elections are not something you should be playing games with," Frost said last week during a telephone interview.

Yet temptation was strong.

North Ridgeville Republican Hazel Sferry said she was kicking herself all day Tuesday after voting for McCain. Don't get her wrong. Sferry supports McCain. But after she voted, she ran into her niece who told her about "the plot." Her niece, Republican Sherry Newell, crossed over Tuesday after hearing Limbaugh. Newell said she voted for Obama because she thought McCain had a better chance against him. Regardless, Sferry said she thought it was a great idea to mess with the other party if it helped McCain win.

"I don't mind being deceptive to politicians," she said. "They are deceptive to us."


On both sides of the Cuyahoga

On the other side of Cleveland, temptation to cross over was strong, too.

Republican Kitty Anderson began working in voting precincts during the early 1960s, and Tuesday's turnout in the Republican stronghold of Chagrin Falls was the largest she had ever seen.

It also had the most crossover voting.

Anderson, 76, and her husband, Donald, 78, served as poll workers on Tuesday and both helped fellow Republicans change parties all day; when it was time for them to vote, they crossed over, too.

"We are both concerned about what Obama would do if he was president. We don't trust him," Kitty Anderson said. "I have five grandchildren, and I keep thinking I want this world to be safe for these kids. I don't feel good about Obama. He just seems to be so vague." Come November, the Andersons said they'll most likely vote for McCain.

But not all of Chagrin Falls crossovers were motivated by the same things.

John Baggett, 50, said there was no single thing that turned him against the Republicans.

Baggett, a former military man who describes himself as conservative, said he believed the GOP has led the country in the wrong direction.


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A disturbing but not surprising new wrinkle. Let the right encourage their followers to directly interfere with the nomination because they cannot have their candidate win on the issues?

If this is the case, if people are allowed to switch the day before on spurious grounds, it seems as if there should be some protections against this.
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#2 Mar 10 2008 at 9:03 AM Rating: Good
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The same call was made in Texas although there's no way of knowing if it changed the election results.

For what it's worth, Clinton is still saber-rattling to sue over the Texas primary/caucus after it turns out that Obama most likely "won" the state by gaining a delegate lead from it after you figure both the primary & caucus results.

But back to flipping Republicans, I hate to see a purely closed primary system because it discourages independents and party-switchers who have sincere motives. Perhaps a compromise would be to 'lock' your party for a couple years after voting in that party's primary. Or else making the lead-time to switch parties considerably longer so that it would be harder to plan these things. Neither is a great solution though. I guess you just suck it up to some extent unless someone else has better ideas.
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#3 Mar 10 2008 at 10:20 AM Rating: Good
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Ya know if McCain was the integrity-filled, upright politician that he claims to be, he'd be publically denouncing this kind of crap.

The sway that Rush Limbaugh has over this countries ignorant masses is pretty scarey.
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Perhaps a compromise would be to 'lock' your party for a couple years after voting in that party's primary.


Meh. The whole Primary system is arcane and ineffective. I'd prefer a national Primary election on one day involving all parties.
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Smasharoo wrote:
I'd prefer a national Primary election on one day involving all parties.
I'm sure you're aware but the idea behind the "slow start, small states" primary system is to allow "lesser" candidates to make their argument and gain momentum (& cash) against the entrenched party favorites.
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#6 Mar 10 2008 at 11:12 AM Rating: Excellent
And people wonder why Obama wins caucuses. None of this cross over footsy happens in caucuses, that's why.
#7 Mar 10 2008 at 11:12 AM Rating: Decent
Jophiel wrote:
Smasharoo wrote:
I'd prefer a national Primary election on one day involving all parties.
I'm sure you're aware but the idea behind the "slow start, small states" primary system is to allow "lesser" candidates to make their argument and gain momentum (& cash) against the entrenched party favorites.


Why not have both? Few states, slow start then a massive super Tuesday with all the rest voting? And that one could be in, say, April. I think people are sort of getting sick of the virtually one year long campaign. Shorten up the whole process. And no one will vote in meaningless primaries.
#8 Mar 10 2008 at 12:34 PM Rating: Good
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Meh. Open primaries have the same thing happen in them, only it's state and party approved. Big deal. Who's to say if these so-called Republicans didn't have a moment of insanity and actually go liberal for a day? This just shows that Gbaji's argument a few weeks ago about election chicanery has merit. Or not-- if those craaaaazy Republicans went nuts for a day.

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This just shows that Gbaji's argument a few weeks ago about election chicanery has merit.
That was regarding fraud. Even if it could be shown that this had a significant impact on the returns, I wouldn't consider it voter fraud.

I suppose it's the sort of that that's in the parties' best interest to try to prevent in the future but I wouldn't agitate for a revision of the Ohio/Texas returns.

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#10 Mar 10 2008 at 2:42 PM Rating: Decent
In California, we voted in an open primary law, that you could show up and vote for any one candidate from any one party for each office. Thus you could vote in the Republican presidential primary and the Democratic senate primary with the same ballot (this is my recollection of how worked).

I registered with no party, voted in the Republican presidential primary and the Republican party simply declined to count votes from people like me (my ballot was an "independent" one, so it was easy to separate from the others even though the contents of all ballots was the same). The Democratic party did. There was a big show down and it went to the US Supreme court, which ruled that the Republicans could do that if they wished - freedom of assembly. And I agree with that.

However, the amazing thing to me was that so many other states allow it. From my reading of the supreme court oral arguments, I assume you actually are basically registering for that party, if only for the day, as indicated in the article below. Which is exactly what I want to be able to do, but cannot in California.

However, I'd be happy with a few small early primaries and then a single day national primary since I'd be voting in a meaningful election. Voting in meaningless primaries is really, really bad for democracy. And I think that is why the Democratic party should be celebrating each meaningful election. If they somehow anoint a winner, they are giving the finger to all those who haven't voted yet. Celebrate each state. Go there. Campaign. Get folks interested. Yes, it costs money, but they are getting loads of free advertising from the media.
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