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#1 Mar 07 2008 at 8:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's apparently impossible for either Obama or Clinton to get the necessary number of delegates to win the nomination.

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Florida and Michigan moved up their primaries because the states wanted to be sure their political clout was not lost to the four states that had Democratic Party permission to vote before the official kick-off of the primary season on February 5. Those four were Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina.

Now, neither Illinois Sen. Barack Obama nor Clinton will be able to attain the 2,024 delegates needed to clinch the nomination without delegates from Florida and Michigan.

"People are now looking to Florida and Michigan as overtime, that we're going to finish a sense in a tie, and Florida and Michigan could actually help tip the balance one way or the other," Democratic strategist Dan Gerstein said.

"With two outstanding candidates battling so closely for their party's nomination, there's no way you can tell nearly 2 million Florida voters they don't count," Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Florida, said. Watch Florida Gov. Charlie Crist discuss primary options »

Talks late Thursday in Michigan failed to yield a plan for new voting after hitting the big snag of "Who pays?" A spokeswoman for Gov. Jennifer Granholm, D-Michigan, said cost and logistics may prevent a primary re-do there, according to The Associated Press.

Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean says the national party won't pay as Florida and Michigan cannot be given passes for violating rules that were clear to them.

"The rules were set a year and a half ago. Florida and Michigan voted for them and then decided that they didn't need to abide by the rules. When you're in a contest, you do need to abide by the rules," he said.

"You cannot violate the rules of the process and then expect to get forgiven for it," he said.



I say they wrestle for it. In mud. And make it a pay-per-view with all proceeds used to pay for the Economic Stimulus Package.

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#2 Mar 07 2008 at 9:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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With two outstanding candidates battling so closely for their party's nomination, there's no way you can tell nearly 2 million Florida voters they don't count
Of course you can. If they don't hold an election that's by the party rules, it doesn't count. If they're grmupy with that, they can take it up with their state legislature. Although the Florida state legislature is Republican controlled, the motion to move up the primary passed 118-0 so you'll see no sympathy from me.

The state fucked up. If they want to hold a do-over on their dime, good for them. If not, it's no one's fault but their own.

I'm not sure about "neither can attain" remark unless they're ignoring superdelegates. If Obama wins 50% of the 747 remaining state/territory delegates, he then needs 82 of the 360-odd remaining superdelegates to have 2,025. If Clinton wins 50% of the remaining pledged delegates, she needs 190 more superdelegates to win.
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#3 Mar 07 2008 at 9:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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If Obama wins 50% of the 747 remaining state/territory delegates, he then needs 82 of the 360-odd remaining superdelegates to have 2,025. If Clinton wins 50% of the remaining pledged delegates, she needs 190 more superdelegates to win.


So if he gets 82 of them, and she gets 190 of them, and 88 of them don't vote, they both win?
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#4 Mar 07 2008 at 3:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Since currently, none of the delegates from Florida or Michigan will be seated, their delegates are not counted in the total from which a majority must be won. CNN really goofed on this one.
#5 Mar 07 2008 at 3:12 PM Rating: Good
You know, a primary do-over here in Florida would probably end with disaster, just like every other election in Florida. Our population of confused old folks and rednecks will surely find something else about the process to f*ck up, if not our awesome legislators that got us into this ordeal.

This damn state just needs to sink back in the Gulf already, and that solves everyone's problem!
#6 Mar 08 2008 at 6:07 AM Rating: Good
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If a do-over were to occur, it'll be without the DNC. Dean has categorically stated that the old results are out and the states are welcome to hold new contests, but on their own dime since they need all available funds to try to win the White House.
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