Who knew it was all because of childhood spanking?
But seriously...what gives with ranking consensual S&M between adults as "deviant behavior" right there next to partner abuse and coerced sex?
Apparently these researchers didn't get the memo that correlation=/=causation.
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A good smack on the *** or a bit of rough sex while tied up is AWESOME. Now if I could just convince MrKatie that he isn't going to break me.
The One and Only Katie wrote:
A good smack on the *** or a bit of rough sex while tied up is AWESOME. Now if I could just convince MrKatie that he isn't going to break me.
This article is not about spanking leading to consensual S&M, and therefore being an egregious sin. It is about the following linked correlations.
Edited, Mar 6th 2008 5:19pm by Allegory
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A meta-analysis of spanking studies conducted by Gershoff found 93 percent agreement among studies that spanking can lead to such problems as delinquent and anti-social behavior in childhood along with aggression, criminal and anti-social behavior and spousal or child abuse as an adult.
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Five percent of people who have never been spanked hit their partners, versus 25 percent of those who were spanked frequently.
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They found that spanking and other corporal punishment is associated with an increased probability of verbally and physically coercing a dating partner to have sex; risky sex such as premarital sex without using a condom; and masochistic sex such as spanking during sex.
Edited, Mar 6th 2008 5:19pm by Allegory
A meta-analysis? WTF?
OMG!! Breathing causes lung cancer!! Sex leads to death!!
etc..
OMG!! Breathing causes lung cancer!! Sex leads to death!!
etc..
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Debalic wrote:
OMG!! Breathing causes lung cancer!! Sex leads to death!!
Usually when making use of hyperbole to prove a point the hyperbole itself is not flawed. You are attempting to poke fun at false conclusions due to misunderstood correlations, but you fail to present scenarios where the variables correlate. People breath and develop lung cancer and people also breath without developing lung cancer ergo there is no correlation.
Mock better faster nao.
The One and Only Katie wrote:
MrKatie that he isn't going to break me.
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
I would give Nobby a right good smack on his bottom. 
Masochists are deviants. Perhaps your issue should be with the broadness of the term.
If I started smacking my wife around, I might not be able to stop.
"A good smack on the *** or a bit of rough sex while tied up is AWESOME. Now if I could just convince MrKatie that he isn't going to break me." --the ***** of Texas
Waaaaaaaay TMI. A horrrrible mental picture of you getting broken down like a .410 shotgun by some milktoast in a chicken suit is scarring my delicate psyche.
Totem
Waaaaaaaay TMI. A horrrrible mental picture of you getting broken down like a .410 shotgun by some milktoast in a chicken suit is scarring my delicate psyche.
Totem
Allegory wrote:
Debalic wrote:
OMG!! Breathing causes lung cancer!! Sex leads to death!!
Usually when making use of hyperbole to prove a point the hyperbole itself is not flawed. You are attempting to poke fun at false conclusions due to misunderstood correlations, but you fail to present scenarios where the variables correlate. People breath and develop lung cancer and people also breath without developing lung cancer ergo there is no correlation.
Mock better faster nao.
People get spanked and develope "such problems as delinquent and anti-social behavior in childhood along with aggression, criminal and anti-social behavior and spousal or child abuse as an adult." And people also get spanked without developing said issues.
Debalic seems to have used a pretty good hyperbolic analogy to me, maybe you should stop failing.
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increased probability
The One and Only Deadgye wrote:
People get spanked and develope [sic] "such problems as delinquent and anti-social behavior in childhood along with aggression, criminal and anti-social behavior and spousal or child abuse as an adult." And people also get spanked without developing said issues.
Debalic seems to have used a pretty good hyperbolic analogy to me, maybe you should stop failing.
Debalic seems to have used a pretty good hyperbolic analogy to me, maybe you should stop failing.
I don't think you understand the foundation of statistics. Populations will always vary, and single cases do not disprove trends.
The article quotes the following.
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Five percent of people who have never been spanked hit their partners, versus 25 percent of those who were spanked frequently.
No not every person ever spanked beat their SO, but when five times as many spankees turn into wife beaters as nonspankees then clearly there is reason to believe a relationship may exist.
To argue from a non-statistical perspective, does it not make sense that children who grew up in an environment where the parent imposed their will by force might develop differently than one who grew up in an environment where the parent convinced the child to obey with words?
Atomicflea wrote:
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increased probability
It implies a probable relationship. Nowhere in the article does it state that spanking causes any of these behaviors. It merely states that correlations have been found. Many of you are are misreading the text.
After rereading Flea I believe I may have mistaken your tone and missed the sarcasm. If so then I apologize.
Edited, Mar 7th 2008 4:00pm by Allegory
But seriously...what gives with ranking consensual S&M between adults as "deviant behavior" right there next to partner abuse and coerced sex?
It's deviant by definition as it's outside of the norm. Like wanting oatmeal slathered on your balls would be. It's not "wrong".
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
Allegory wrote:
Usually when making use of hyperbole to prove a point the hyperbole itself is not flawed. You are attempting to poke fun at false conclusions due to misunderstood correlations, but you fail to present scenarios where the variables correlate. People breath and develop lung cancer and people also breath without developing lung cancer ergo there is no correlation.
Mock better faster nao.
Mock better faster nao.
Holy crap you seriously need to get laid. Analyzing my two-line throwaway posts, much less noticing and acknowledging them, is proof enough.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Allegory wrote:
The One and Only Deadgye wrote:
People get spanked and develope [sic] "such problems as delinquent and anti-social behavior in childhood along with aggression, criminal and anti-social behavior and spousal or child abuse as an adult." And people also get spanked without developing said issues.
Debalic seems to have used a pretty good hyperbolic analogy to me, maybe you should stop failing.
Debalic seems to have used a pretty good hyperbolic analogy to me, maybe you should stop failing.
I don't think you understand the foundation of statistics. Populations will always vary, and single cases do not disprove trends.
The article quotes the following.
Quote:
Five percent of people who have never been spanked hit their partners, versus 25 percent of those who were spanked frequently.
No not every person ever spanked beat their SO, but when five times as many spankees turn into wife beaters as nonspankees then clearly there is reason to believe a relationship may exist.
To argue from a non-statistical perspective, does it not make sense that children who grew up in an environment where the parent imposed their will by force might develop differently than one who grew up in an environment where the parent convinced the child to obey with words?
"Hyperbolic analogy"
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I respond to you seriously Debalic out of respect. I'm sorry if you find something irritating about that.
A hyperbole is an exaggeration of a scenario. It is similar, in the mathematic usage of the word, to the original scenario. Debalic's statement is an exaggeration, but it fails to mimic the original scenario.
It's just a contorted Strawman, not a hyperbole. Its resemblance to hyperbole is purely cosmetic.
Edited, Mar 7th 2008 8:40pm by Allegory
A hyperbole is an exaggeration of a scenario. It is similar, in the mathematic usage of the word, to the original scenario. Debalic's statement is an exaggeration, but it fails to mimic the original scenario.
It's just a contorted Strawman, not a hyperbole. Its resemblance to hyperbole is purely cosmetic.
Edited, Mar 7th 2008 8:40pm by Allegory
Holy crap.
I need to renew my premium just so I can use the
smiley.
I need to renew my premium just so I can use the
smiley.publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
I think it'd be worth the cost; you should totally go for it.
Debalic wrote:
Holy crap.
I need to renew my premium just so I can use the smiley.
I need to renew my premium just so I can use the
smiley.No, no, I don't think you understand. Allegory is totally sincere. If you look at the dictionary under earnest, you'd see a picture of him. It might be annoying, but he doesn't know you or what you understand.
PS. To the OP, I think it makes some sense. What is unfortunate is that they make it out to be so disturbing whereas it seems more like repetition-compulsion. The reality is that people with more difficult childhoods have to think more about power and control. In many ways, sadomasochism can be seen as a healthy adaptation.
Edited, Mar 9th 2008 8:11pm by Annabella
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
The One and Only Katie wrote:
A good smack on the *** or a bit of rough sex while tied up is AWESOME. Now if I could just convince MrKatie that he isn't going to break me.
Ambrya wrote:
But seriously...what gives with ranking consensual S&M between adults as "deviant behavior" right there next to partner abuse and coerced sex?
I could be very wrong, but I don't think the majority of couples are intentionlly seeking to give or recieve pain with they have sex.
Alma wrote:
I lost my post
Although the connotations for "deviant" are that it automatically means "bad," it doesn't actually mean that. Nothing wrong with a lil' consensual S&M at all.
It's when your partner ignores the safety word that you got problems.
It's when your partner ignores the safety word that you got problems.
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