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Aww, and I voted for Obama, too. RI sucks.
Most UK & European news is talking about a change in perception among voters, with Obama's fine rhetoric having held sway until last week, but Hillary's focus on factual policy taking centre stage.
They all seem to see Obama as being week on detail on foreign policy, the economy, healthcare etc.
They all seem to see Obama as being week on detail on foreign policy, the economy, healthcare etc.
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
They all seem to see Obama as being week on detail on foreign policy, the economy, healthcare etc.
Yeah, also: Black.
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Smasharoo wrote:
They all seem to see Obama as being week on detail on foreign policy, the economy, healthcare etc.
Yeah, also: Black.
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
Neat thing about Obama is that he said he would employ people in his cabinet from the Republican party if they were qualified
Planks wrote:
Neat thing about Obama is that he said he would employ people in his cabinet from the Republican party if they were qualified
Not like it's a gimmic or anything. . . Has he also nicked the slogan of having a 'big tent' yet?
I'd choose Obama over Hillary given the choice, but the spin doctors are more apparent in his speeches than Hillary's - from what I've seen, that is.
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
Nobby wrote:
week
Ooooh, you don't often catch Nobby.
Yay!
What's bred in the bone will not out of the flesh.
Tare wrote:
Nobby wrote:
week
Ooooh, you don't often catch Nobby.
Yay!
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
Week.
Weak.
Weeee(k)?
Weak.
Weeee(k)?
What's bred in the bone will not out of the flesh.
/opens a vein
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
She hasn't won them yet, I don't think.
I'm hoping this is Smash playing his opposite game.
I'm hoping this is Smash playing his opposite game.
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin
"The Rich are there to take all of the money & pay none of the taxes, the middle class is there to do all the work and pay all the taxes, and the poor are there to scare the crap out of the middle class." -George Carlin
First exit polls at Huffington Post were optimistic for Obama.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Double digit losses? Sigh...
Yay for the Hellbeast! There's nothing I want more than Obama and clinton to break out the sharp knives and continue to slice each other open until Denver. Let's say it together!
"Bro-kered Conven-tion!"
"Bro-kered Conven-tion!"
When I say "Brokered," you say, "Convention!"
"Brokered!"
"Convention!"
"Brokered!"
"Convention!"
Totem
"Bro-kered Conven-tion!"
"Bro-kered Conven-tion!"
When I say "Brokered," you say, "Convention!"
"Brokered!"
"Convention!"
"Brokered!"
"Convention!"
Totem
Smasharoo wrote:
Undecideds breaking for Clinton 3 to 1.
trickybeck wrote:
Double digit losses? Sigh...
Yeesh.
Mercifully, I'll be in an all day meeting today so I'll be spared from reading the news sites while I lick my wounds.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Nobby wrote:
Planks wrote:
Neat thing about Obama is that he said he would employ people in his cabinet from the Republican party if they were qualified
Not like it's a gimmic or anything. . . Has he also nicked the slogan of having a 'big tent' yet?
I'd choose Obama over Hillary given the choice, but the spin doctors are more apparent in his speeches than Hillary's - from what I've seen, that is.
Bill Clinton did that when he appointed Bill Cohen to be secretary of defense. Didn't even Dubya have a democrat in his cabinet? Edited to say: Mineta, that's who I was thinking of.
Edited, Mar 5th 2008 9:31am by Annabella
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
I didn't think the Democrats could possibly lose the election this year, but as usual I failed to take into consideration the amazing ability of the Democratic party to shoot itself in the foot. Hillary won by taking a page out of Carl Rove's playbook and taking the campaign completely negative. Now we will face 7 weeks of the two Democratic candidates trashing each other in a ever increasing spiral of negativity through the Pennsylvania media. By the time one or the other emerges with the nomination they will be so scarred that the Republicans will easily waltz to the win in November. I can picture many Democrats who supported one or the other candidate being so ticked off at the eventual winnner that a moderate McCain will look like a much better alternative than voting for the Democrat.
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Reasons why Hillary won these states:
1. Bill shut up -- He was doing her more harm than good. Now that he's been reined in, he's exuding that ex-prez glow without reminding everyone that the glow is radioactive toxins.
2. That Rezko Thing -- The trial of Rezko made everyone who adores Obama, even me, have to face a seriously crucial question -- is he lying? You can't promise to be the candidate of change if you're already starting down the path of corruption. From what I've read of the story, there really isn't much of one at all -- once the Obamas realized they were being haxed, they broke off the friendship with the Rezko family. But the damage was done.
Best solution to That Rezko Thing: Obama needs to sell that damn house and wash his hands of it.
3. The NAFTA Kerfluffle -- "We said this, but what we really meant was this, and what you heard was something totally different." Seriously, Canada, GTFO. When Democrats attack NAFTA, they're not attacking you, they're attacking Mexico, okay? Because of the terms of the trade deal, Mexico can woo US companies to build factories that don't have to follow strict US environmental regulations, and thus can cut corners, cut costs, and cut prices for the US companies that fled down there. This leads to substandard products and wages for employees in Mexico, driving them to seek immigration to the US by any means necessary.
4. The Kitchen Sink -- Clinton and Co. threw everything they had at Obama, all right. They finally found a coherent message: He's not all that. For the people that haven't drunk the hope-flavored Kool-Aid, it was enough to cause doubts, and doubts lead to voting for the devil you know.
5. Spin so dizzying it's a merry-go-round: When the facts don't paint a pretty picture, you can alter the terms of viewing the picture until it's pleasant to look at again. Clinton's campaign has the DJ spinmasters in it, not Obama's, so whenever the chips are down, they can re-invent the truth until it's favorable again.
Now, the ugly truth:
- Despite yesterday's wins, Clinton has a serious delegate problem. Obama campaigned smarter, not harder, so even though she won the popular vote, he may yet come ahead on delegates. For such a prolonged election, it's the long term strategy that wins.
- Many of Hillary's Republican "supporters" voted for her because they want McCain to beat her in the fall. Many of Obama's Republican "supporters" voted for him because they want him to beat McCain in the fall.
- Almost half the country still hates Hillary's guts. My family is pretty damn high up in the GOP, and THEY'RE considering fleeing across the border to Canada, or maybe offering North Dakota as a new province to Canada, if she wins the general election. (Actually, I think ND and Alberta would like to secede together and make the Conservative Territories of America together.) But they doubt that will happen since she's already burned her bridges and now half the Democratic party can't stand her in addition to the GOP not being able to stand her . . .
The fight's not over. This is better than reality TV. :P
Edited, Mar 5th 2008 12:07pm by catwho
1. Bill shut up -- He was doing her more harm than good. Now that he's been reined in, he's exuding that ex-prez glow without reminding everyone that the glow is radioactive toxins.
2. That Rezko Thing -- The trial of Rezko made everyone who adores Obama, even me, have to face a seriously crucial question -- is he lying? You can't promise to be the candidate of change if you're already starting down the path of corruption. From what I've read of the story, there really isn't much of one at all -- once the Obamas realized they were being haxed, they broke off the friendship with the Rezko family. But the damage was done.
Best solution to That Rezko Thing: Obama needs to sell that damn house and wash his hands of it.
3. The NAFTA Kerfluffle -- "We said this, but what we really meant was this, and what you heard was something totally different." Seriously, Canada, GTFO. When Democrats attack NAFTA, they're not attacking you, they're attacking Mexico, okay? Because of the terms of the trade deal, Mexico can woo US companies to build factories that don't have to follow strict US environmental regulations, and thus can cut corners, cut costs, and cut prices for the US companies that fled down there. This leads to substandard products and wages for employees in Mexico, driving them to seek immigration to the US by any means necessary.
4. The Kitchen Sink -- Clinton and Co. threw everything they had at Obama, all right. They finally found a coherent message: He's not all that. For the people that haven't drunk the hope-flavored Kool-Aid, it was enough to cause doubts, and doubts lead to voting for the devil you know.
5. Spin so dizzying it's a merry-go-round: When the facts don't paint a pretty picture, you can alter the terms of viewing the picture until it's pleasant to look at again. Clinton's campaign has the DJ spinmasters in it, not Obama's, so whenever the chips are down, they can re-invent the truth until it's favorable again.
Now, the ugly truth:
- Despite yesterday's wins, Clinton has a serious delegate problem. Obama campaigned smarter, not harder, so even though she won the popular vote, he may yet come ahead on delegates. For such a prolonged election, it's the long term strategy that wins.
- Many of Hillary's Republican "supporters" voted for her because they want McCain to beat her in the fall. Many of Obama's Republican "supporters" voted for him because they want him to beat McCain in the fall.
- Almost half the country still hates Hillary's guts. My family is pretty damn high up in the GOP, and THEY'RE considering fleeing across the border to Canada, or maybe offering North Dakota as a new province to Canada, if she wins the general election. (Actually, I think ND and Alberta would like to secede together and make the Conservative Territories of America together.) But they doubt that will happen since she's already burned her bridges and now half the Democratic party can't stand her in addition to the GOP not being able to stand her . . .
The fight's not over. This is better than reality TV. :P
Edited, Mar 5th 2008 12:07pm by catwho
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Nice try Hillary, but I highly doubt it.
CNN wrote:
The morning after primary wins in Ohio, Texas, and Rhode Island, Hillary Clinton said she would consider being part of a Democratic “dream ticket†that would include both her and presidential rival Barack Obama.
"That may be where this is headed,†she told the CBS Early Show during a marathon set of appearances on the network morning news shows. “But of course we have to decide who is on the top of ticket. I think the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me."
The New York senator has made the claim before. Last month, in one of several interviews where she said the scenario was a possibility, she told a Vibe interviewer: “Of course there is (a chance of a joint ticket). Of course there is. Now neither of us will answer this question because we don’t want to look presumptuous and premature. But it is more than fair to say that — of course there is.â€
While Clinton has said a joint ticket is possible, the Obama team has largely avoided making similar statements. Some of the Illinois senator’s campaign surrogates have said they believe the claims benefit Clinton because they may convince Democratic voters drawn to the Illinois senator that a vote for her is essentially a vote for both of them — or a vote for him to head the ballot in eight years, after she has had her two terms on top of the ticket.
Primary season rivals who have successfully shared a presidential ticket after tough nominating fights include Democrats John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson, and Republicans Ronald Reagan and George Bush.
"That may be where this is headed,†she told the CBS Early Show during a marathon set of appearances on the network morning news shows. “But of course we have to decide who is on the top of ticket. I think the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me."
The New York senator has made the claim before. Last month, in one of several interviews where she said the scenario was a possibility, she told a Vibe interviewer: “Of course there is (a chance of a joint ticket). Of course there is. Now neither of us will answer this question because we don’t want to look presumptuous and premature. But it is more than fair to say that — of course there is.â€
While Clinton has said a joint ticket is possible, the Obama team has largely avoided making similar statements. Some of the Illinois senator’s campaign surrogates have said they believe the claims benefit Clinton because they may convince Democratic voters drawn to the Illinois senator that a vote for her is essentially a vote for both of them — or a vote for him to head the ballot in eight years, after she has had her two terms on top of the ticket.
Primary season rivals who have successfully shared a presidential ticket after tough nominating fights include Democrats John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson, and Republicans Ronald Reagan and George Bush.
Nice try Hillary, but I highly doubt it.
catwho, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
3. The NAFTA Kerfluffle -- "We said this, but what we really meant was this, and what you heard was something totally different." Seriously, Canada, GTFO. When Democrats attack NAFTA, they're not attacking you, they're attacking Mexico, okay? Because of the terms of the trade deal, Mexico can woo US companies to build factories that don't have to follow strict US environmental regulations, and thus can cut corners, cut costs, and cut prices for the US companies that fled down there. This leads to substandard products and wages for employees in Mexico, driving them to seek immigration to the US by any means necessary.
1)Having a Conservative Party who tends to support the Republican's line of thinking and not wanting to deal with the Democrats.
2) Being concerned that any changes to NAFTA, which fucked many of us the first time around and took 10 years for us to adjust, would recreate that incident all over again.
Who'd have ever thought that insignificant Canada could influence the US's presidency?
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Jophiel wrote:
trickybeck wrote:
Double digit losses? Sigh...
Exactly...I'm confused by people seeing this as some big defeat...Hillary was slated to win these states by a landslide a few weeks ago and he cut her lead by huge percentages. He's still ahead in delegates, and even picking up superdelegates in states where he lost the primary:
Quote:
DAYTON, Ohio -- Mirroring the unofficial results of the Democratic Presidential race in Montgomery County, Dayton Mayor Rhine McLin today announced her endorsement of Illinois Senator Barack Obama.
Despite a win statewide by New York Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, in Montgomery County, the results told a different tale with Obama beating Clinton by over 10,000 votes.
In a morning interview on CNN, McLin said the decision of Dayton and Montgomery County voters would determine how she used her superdelagate vote.
And McLin said she was impressed with Ohio's apparent record voter turnout.
Despite a win statewide by New York Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, in Montgomery County, the results told a different tale with Obama beating Clinton by over 10,000 votes.
In a morning interview on CNN, McLin said the decision of Dayton and Montgomery County voters would determine how she used her superdelagate vote.
And McLin said she was impressed with Ohio's apparent record voter turnout.
Nexa
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.â€
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
Nexa wrote:
Exactly...I'm confused by people seeing this as some big defeat...Hillary was slated to win these states by a landslide a few weeks ago and he cut her lead by huge percentages. He's still ahead in delegates, and even picking up superdelegates in states where he lost the primary:
Hilary supporters need something for the sake of momentum. Obama supporters worry that this is all too good to be true.
Democrats also are battle scarred from last 8 years.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
The fight's not over.
It was over in Wisconsin. She won 12 delegates yesterday, she's behind by 150. She'd have to win Penn 75/25, and win re-dos in FL and MI by similar margins to be ahead in delegates by the convention.
She's not going to be the nominee. What she does have is increasing leverage to get concessions to end this before the money's wasted. If she wants the VP slot (which seems unlikely) she can probably have it. If not and she takes it all the way, the Democrats dominate the news cycle, and Obama's either dead or bulletproof for the General election.
Obviously the Party, and me, would prefer the money goes to beating McCain, but controlling the entire political news cycle for months on end while McCain seems more and more like the winner of the NIT isn't completely unappealing either.
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