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#1 Feb 29 2008 at 7:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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But I was just reading this article:

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VOLCANO, Hawaii (AP) -- Lava from Kilauea, one of the world's most active volcanoes, destroyed three abandoned houses this week in a nearly deserted neighborhood, scientists on the Big Island reported.

The U.S. Geological Survey's Hawaiian Volcano Observatory said a lava flow entered the Royal Gardens subdivision on Sunday, and two structures were burned by Tuesday. A third house in the area residents fled years ago had fallen victim to the volcano by Thursday, scientists said.

Sixty-six homes and other structures in the subdivision have been destroyed by the volcano that began slowly erupting January 3, 1983.

About five houses are still standing, but only two homeowners remain in Royal Gardens. The homeowners, Jack Thompson and Dean Schneider, say they are in no danger. Video Watch residents explain why they're staying »

"It's the safest place I've ever lived, safer than the mainland. They have forest fires over there that burn up 3,000 homes in Southern California," said Thompson, who runs a bed and breakfast called the Lava House. "I'm here for the duration, whatever happens."

Schneider admitted it was "a little different" living with lava from an erupting volcano.

"It's unique, but it's very easy to outrun a lava flow," he said.


So this volcano has been slowly errupting for 25 years now...can you not reroute lava in any way? I accept that this may be a silly question, but if it's going THAT slowly, can't they look ahead to where there are homes and structures and whatnot and either move them ahead of time or reroute the lava flow in some way?

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#2 Feb 29 2008 at 7:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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You mean like getting a bunch of colored folk, and having them move some concrete parking barriers to divert the lava flow, directed by Tommy Lee Jones?

Works for me.
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#3 Feb 29 2008 at 7:30 AM Rating: Good
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So this volcano has been slowly errupting for 25 years now...can you not reroute lava in any way?
Nope, lava flows are the appitomy of irristable force. If it's coming you better move or put an ocean in the way.

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if it's going THAT slowly, can't they look ahead to where there are homes and structures and whatnot and either move them ahead of time or reroute the lava flow in some way?
You aren't taking into account how fundementally stupid people can be. People won't up sticks and move if a forest fire is going to arrive in the next 3 days wha makes you think they are going to move if a lava flow is going to arrive in the next 3 years?
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Given that lava is molten stone, I'm going to assume that it can melt stone. Which would seem to make using barriers problematic.

I know little about volcanos as well but I assume that trying to channel the lava via trenches is impractical due to volume and the width of the flow.
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#5 Feb 29 2008 at 7:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Lava has a wide stance. /nod

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#6 Feb 29 2008 at 8:18 AM Rating: Decent
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It'd be like trying to stop a mountain on wheels that can melt anything in its path. Not going to happen.
#7 Feb 29 2008 at 8:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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It'd be like trying to stop a mountain on wheels that can melt anything in its path. Not going to happen.


Smiley: glare

I just figured with a decade of warning you could dig *some* sort of trench or whathaveyou. How long did it take to dig that channel keeping the English away from everyone else? Something like that would keep lava away, right?

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#8 Feb 29 2008 at 9:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Speaking of unstoppable things caused by volcanoes, I was watching a special on super tsunamis, and they start my giant landslides rather than earthquakes.

Basically, there is an island off of Africa with a volcano full of water, and sometime in the far future it's entire west side is supposed to collapse and the shock wave would turn at least 12 miles of the entire east coast of the USA into an aquarium.

Not saying I wish it upon the east coast, but could you imagine looking up and seeing a wave taller than the empire state building starting to foam and fold over your city ? What the hell do you do in that kind of situation ? Pull out an umbrella for a last bit of comic relief ?

Edited, Feb 29th 2008 10:08am by tarubstchef
#9 Feb 29 2008 at 9:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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tarubstchef wrote:
Speaking of unstoppable things caused by volcanoes, I was watching a special on super tsunamis, and they start my giant landslides rather than earthquakes.

Basically, there is an island off of Africa with a volcano full of water, and sometime in the far future it's entire west side is supposed to collapse and the shock wave would turn at least 12 miles of the entire east coast of the USA into an aquarium.

Not saying I wish it upon the east coast, but could you imagine looking up and seeing a wave taller than the empire state building starting to foam and fold over your city ? What the hell do you do in that kind of situation ? Pull out an umbrella for a last bit of comic relief ?

Edited, Feb 29th 2008 10:08am by tarubstchef


This is one of the main reasons that Obama's healthcare package includes jetpacks for everyone in California.

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#10 Feb 29 2008 at 9:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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YAY! I finally get my jet pack!

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#11 Feb 29 2008 at 9:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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YAY! I finally get my jet pack!


Only if Obama's elected, start campaigning!

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How long did it take to dig that channel keeping the English away from everyone else? Something like that would keep lava away, right?
Sure, but we also tried to cut through Panama and kick South America out into the ocean and that didn't work so well.
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#13 Feb 29 2008 at 9:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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How long did it take to dig that channel keeping the English away from everyone else? Something like that would keep lava away, right?
Sure, but we also tried to cut through Panama and kick South America out into the ocean and that didn't work so well.


Yes, but we all know South Americans are more pervasive than lava. Especially Peruvians.

Edit: Pervasive Peruvian would have been a good title.

Nexa

Edited, Feb 29th 2008 12:27pm by Nexa
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#14 Feb 29 2008 at 11:35 AM Rating: Good
Why the hell do the left coasters get jetpacks? The east coast is the one in danger of being hit by an empire state building size wave!
#15 Feb 29 2008 at 11:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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We're cooler.

Y'all need to learn to surf, apparently.

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#16 Feb 29 2008 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent
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I would think there should be some practical way to capture all the energy from the cooling moving lava.
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#17 Feb 29 2008 at 12:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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I would think there should be some practical way to capture all the energy from the cooling moving lava.


If we could figure out how to turn the Glaive into some sort of lava-wheel, we might just be able to do it!

Also: yes, I realize now that I skipped the part about it being the east coast...I just figure that California's gonna sink into the sea first.

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#18 Feb 29 2008 at 1:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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Samira wrote:
YAY! I finally get my jet pack!


Only if Obama's elected, start campaigning!

Nexa

You have to read the fine print. It will only be electric jetpacks, global warming and all.
#19 Feb 29 2008 at 1:24 PM Rating: Good
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I find it amusing that the guy's bed and breakfast is located in a lava delta. Lots of lava floes nearby him but none will actually hit him.

Oh and if you build a ditch, it will fill in the ditch and keep going. You can't stop it, merely slow it down slightly. Or you could get out of the way. There's a reason that land is so cheap; it only has a couple of years for life expectancy.
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#20 Feb 29 2008 at 2:58 PM Rating: Decent
think about hot molten rock, metals of all sorts. no barricade we could build would contain it. not to mention, even if we could, it would be extremly cost prohibitive.

those houses and that neibhorhood were abandoned due to the progress we have made in being able to see a volcanic event before it happens. they were orderd out to protect life and limb. and those islands are a string of volcanos. ALL of them. dealing with volcanic events is a part of their history and their future. there has even been another whole island formed in the last 5 years from an underwater lava flow.

you cant stop it effectively, all you can do is predict it and get out of the way. its the cheapest, safest way to deal with them. dont be there when the lava gets there.

also consider, when the pressure builds, you really cant tell where it is going to come out of the mountain untill the lava starts flowing. and even if you could build something to direct it, you only have the amount of time from when you see it coming out untill its a full flow. you cant pick where before hand. and no one is going to vote on budgeting billions of dollars to design and create lava chutes around all of our volcanos, some of which havent erupted in thousands of years. take yellow stone park for example, its a giant super volcano. and when it goes........dont be there.
#21 Feb 29 2008 at 3:11 PM Rating: Decent
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think about hot molten rock, metals of all sorts. no barricade we could build would contain it. not to mention, even if we could


Ruth Keelikolani could.

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Why...? WHY would you know who this is?
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Why...? WHY would you know who this is?


I'm a vast storehouse of useless cultural information. If they had "Obscure cultural icons who influenced social control through means other than force on diverse segmented populations Jeapordy!" I'd be rich.

All part of the long road of education to play a children's card game.

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#24 Mar 01 2008 at 1:52 AM Rating: Good
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Trenching and dirt revetements work to divert lava flows, but is so prohibitively expensive in areas where volcanos erupt that it's better and considerably cheaper to just let them flow where they will and avoid building there.

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Trenching and dirt revetements work to divert lava flows, but is so prohibitively expensive in areas where volcanos erupt that it's better and considerably cheaper to just let them flow where they will and avoid building there.


Right, if it were a pineapple factory or something, the government would have spent millions to divert the lava. Someone's home, ***** em.
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#26 Mar 01 2008 at 8:49 AM Rating: Good
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To me this issue is problematic due to the lack of Mexican illegals. If you were to ship about 150 there and tell them to dig a ditch, it'd be dug in a week, plus you'd be able to have the best homemade tamales EVER on every street corner.
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