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#27 Feb 29 2008 at 11:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Maybe they were thinking Mallard Fillmore
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#28 Feb 29 2008 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
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Damn it, I want to change my vote to William Henry Harrison. I mean, the guy only lasted a month or so the first time, he'd have to do better the second time!

#29 Feb 29 2008 at 12:01 PM Rating: Good
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I went with Tricky **** as he was a lot of fun to have around.

Honestly Abe would probably be my choice with FDR, JFK and Jefferson high on my list.
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#30 Feb 29 2008 at 12:09 PM Rating: Good
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I went with Kennedy because I really want to see if there would be a second gunman on the grassy knoll this time around.
#31 Feb 29 2008 at 12:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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I doubt Kennedy would ride in convertables the second time around.
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#32 Feb 29 2008 at 12:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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I doubt Kennedy would ride in convertables the second time around.


Oh, man. You'd have to be sooooooooo careful what you said around him.

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#33 Feb 29 2008 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
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Damn it, I want to change my vote to William Henry Harrison. I mean, the guy only lasted a month or so the first time, he'd have to do better the second time!
I thought the same but, really, everything I've read about his pre-presidental existance indicates that he'd have been a pretty lackluster president. At least now he's remembered for dying.

I see that GW finally got a sympathy vote.
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Danalog the Vengeful Programmer wrote:
Maybe they were thinking Mallard Fillmore
Ah, Mallard Fillmore. Like Stephen Colbert... only played straight and not at all funny.
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#35 Feb 29 2008 at 12:21 PM Rating: Decent
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I voted for Teddy. He was the first VP people actually decided to vote for.

And he was a huge conservationist.
#36 Feb 29 2008 at 2:50 PM Rating: Good
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How many accounts do you think Gbaji will make to vote for Reagan?
Honestly, who else do the conservatives have to vote for? Reagan is their only real hero.


*cough*Lincoln*cough*

Or... Teddy Roosevelt?

Or... Jefferson? (who's views are certainly closer to modern Republicans then modern Democrats).


You Dems basically have two heroes: FDR and JFK. And let's face it, FDR would be a Republican if running for office today, and JFK really basically bungled his way through 3 years in office then got shot...
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Or... Jefferson? (who's views are certainly closer to modern Republicans then modern Democrats).


Ludicrous.


FDR would be a Republican if running for office today,


Ludicrouser.

Edited, Feb 29th 2008 6:02pm by Smasharoo
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#38 Feb 29 2008 at 3:06 PM Rating: Decent
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I went with JFK, not because I'd necessarily think he'd do the best job, but because at least he had taste. He wouldn't be getting blown by fat ugly chicks, he'd be having Jessica Simpson or the like up in that mo'fo.
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#39 Feb 29 2008 at 3:06 PM Rating: Good
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Vote Martin Van Buren. Then you can be part of the Van B. Boys.Smiley: nod
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*cough*Lincoln*cough*

Or... Teddy Roosevelt?

Or... Jefferson?
And yet when a Republican is running for office, all anyone can do is say "Vote for me! I'm the most like Reagan!!" Smiley: laugh
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Or... Jefferson? (who's views are certainly closer to modern Republicans then modern Democrats).

Ludicrous.
You have to understand that this is a guy who says that Hitler was a liberal because he put the word "Socialist" into his party name. Obviously Jefferson is a Republican since he belonged to the Democratic-Republican Party.

Like... duh.
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You have to understand that this is a guy who says that Hitler was a liberal because he put the word "Socialist" into his party name. Obviously Jefferson is a Republican since he belonged to the Democratic-Republican Party.


Well, he did rape a black chick and left no marks, so you can understand his confusion, I suppose.
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#43 Feb 29 2008 at 3:34 PM Rating: Good
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And let's face it, FDR would be a Republican if running for office today


...Say what?

The Pubbies are about to rip their own party to shreds over McCain's candidacy. I'm pretty sure the man they reviled as a socialist wouldn't be running under the GOP banner.

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The Pubbies are about to rip their own party to shreds over McCain's candidacy. I'm pretty sure the man they reviled as a socialist wouldn't be running under the GOP banner.


It's hard for me to fully sink into the delusion stepped depths of moron psuedo-logic but I'd assume it goes something like this:

FDR proatively advocated for going to war, and Democrats never do that, being isolationist pussies, therefore, he'd be a Republcian.


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Also, real Democrats are immune to polio.


Don't be silly, Reagan's urine cures it instantly, and the Party still has jars of that stuff lying around.

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#47 Feb 29 2008 at 3:53 PM Rating: Decent
I find the notion of FDR as a Republican pretty ridiculous...how did you come to that conclusion?
(Voted FDR, by the way.)
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I find the notion of FDR as a Republican pretty ridiculous...how did you come to that conclusion?
(Voted FDR, by the way.)
Because Reagan only has three votes.

Since I'm sure that Gbaji is frantically working the Google machine and the Wikipedia right now trying to scare up support, I'll save him the trouble.
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The Democratic Party is often called "the party of Jefferson," while the modern Republican Party is often called "the party of Lincoln." The modern party system with a liberal, economically populist Democratic Party and a conservative, supply side-oriented Republican Party did not arise until the early twentieth century, when the Republican Party divided into a conservative wing and a progressive or Bull Moose wing, which coalesced with the Democrats in the New Deal.

The Democratic-Republican party split into various factions during the 1824 election, based more on personality than on ideology. When the election was thrown to the House of Representatives, House Speaker Henry Clay backed Secretary of State John Quincy Adams to deny the presidency to Senator Andrew Jackson, a longtime personal rival and a hero of the War of 1812. Jackson's political views were unknown at the time. At first, the various factions continued to view themselves as Republicans. Jackson's supporters were called "Jackson Men," while Adams supporters were called "Adams Men."

The Jacksonians held their first national convention as the "Republican Party" in 1832.[41] By the mid-1830s, they referred to themselves as the "Democratic Party," although they also continued to use the name "Democratic Republicans" and the name was not officially changed until 1844.[42]

Many politicians of the Democratic Party have emphasized their party's lineage to Jefferson and the Democratic-Republican Party. Martin Van Buren wrote in his Inquiry Into the Origin and Course of Political Parties in the United States that the party's name had changed from Republican to Democratic and that Jefferson was the founder of the party.[43] Thomas Jefferson Randolph, the eldest grandson of Jefferson, gave a speech at the 1872 Democratic National Convention and said that he had spent eighty years of his life in the Democratic-Republican Party.[44]

The Adams/Clay alliance became the basis of the National Republican Party, a rival to the Jacksonian party. This party favored a higher tariff to protect U.S. manufacturers, as well as public works, especially roads. Former members of the defunct Federalist Party (including Daniel Webster) joined the party. After Clay's defeat by Jackson in the 1832 presidential election, the National Republicans were absorbed into the Whig Party, a diverse group of Jackson opponents. Taking a leaf from the Jacksonians, the Whigs tended to nominate non-ideological war heroes as their presidential candidates.

The modern Republican Party was founded in 1854 as an anti-slavery party. Most northern Whigs soon defected to the new party. The name was chosen to harken back to Jeffersonian ideals of liberty and equality, ideals that Abraham Lincoln and many members of the new party sought to revive together with Clay's program of using an active government to modernize the economy.[45]

In 1991 the United States Senate passed by voice vote "A bill to establish a commission to commemorate the bicentennial of the establishment of the Democratic Party of the United States." It was introduced by Democratic Senator Terry Sanford and cosponsored by 56 Senators.[46]
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#49 Feb 29 2008 at 4:07 PM Rating: Good
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Politics in this country (and the western world in general) have shifted so far to the left over the last century, that leaders who were decried as "socialist" held positions then that are pretty much mainstream Republican today, while the Dems have steadily marched farther to the left.

FDR was called a socialist because he used federal funds to create public works programs. He borrowed money (increasing the deficit) and spent that money by creating contracts for large businesses with the goal of increasing employment and stimulating the economy. The Republicans of the day were opposed to any sort of government meddling in the economy, regardless of whether it was "supply side" or "demand side".

Um... Today, his policies would be decried by Democrats because he'd be increasing the deficit in order to enrich big business (corporate wellfare!). His economic decisions were fundamentally identical to the ones Reagan made in the 80s. What changed was the political climate.


And Jefferson was much farther to the right still. By long shot. He'd be considered a pretty radical libertarian by today's standards. In addition to his opposition to any sort of strong federal government and a national banking system, he also strongly believed in the principles of a "Republic" as opposed to that of a "Democracy". Specifically, balances to the "majority rules" methods of determining power. On the issue of popular voting and electoral college he'd be firmly with Republicans. He was incredibly wary of the dangers of straight popular voting systems. On the issue of campaign finance reform, he'd again side with Republicans. And you can't seriously suggest he'd support in any way agendas like nationalized health care, income assistance programs, or even publicly funded education systems for that matter.


He'd be so far to the right that the only party remotely close to him would be Republicans. But honestly, we'd be too liberal for his tastes. Even Ron Paul is too liberal for him...
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#50 Feb 29 2008 at 4:07 PM Rating: Decent
Neat, thanks for the info. I do not see how one could construct a convincing argument that FDR would follow the modern Republican ideal.
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That's nice Joph. But you're talking about lineage. I'm talking about what that particular politicians political positions were and how that person would "fit" into politics today.

There's simply no way to look at the positions of Jefferson and say that they are somehow closer to modern Democrat positions. They aren't close to modern Republican positions either, but they're "closer"...
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