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#1 Feb 26 2008 at 9:49 PM Rating: Default
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(Sacramento, CA) -- A bill that would require all Californians who receive welfare payments to be subject to random drug testing was introduced at the state capitol Thursday. The bill was the idea of a Riverside County 16-year-old with cerebral palsy that has been linked to his mother's drug use when she was pregnant and on welfare. Sixteen-year-old R.J. Feild FEELD entered his idea in the annual "There Ought To Be A Law" contest sponsored by Republican Assemblyman John Benoit ben-NOYT of Palm Desert. Feild weighed just two pounds at birth, with traces of heroin, marijuana, methamphetamine, alcohol and cocaine in his body. He said when he had to miss a trip to Disneyland because his foster father had to take a drug test for a new job, he thought maybe people on welfare should be drug-tested as well. His law would require welfare recipients who fail a drug test to either complete a one-year drug-treatment program or be removed from the welfare rolls. A federal court has thrown out a similar law in Michigan as a violation of the constitutional protection against unreasonable search and seizure.


While I see how this could cause innocent children to fall through the cracks, I still think this with some additional safety nets put in place could be a great thing.
#2 Feb 26 2008 at 9:53 PM Rating: Good
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the article coincidentially uses the same formatting as the wikify link.
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#4 Feb 26 2008 at 10:00 PM Rating: Default
No idea. They jumped in there themselves.
#5 Feb 27 2008 at 1:56 AM Rating: Excellent
I'm not surprised at all that a teenager with cerebral palsy is writing legislation in California.

Now it's an interesting bit of legislation, though, because of its seemingly contradictory motives. At once it seems to lessen the tax-payers burden by removing substance abusers from the pool of welfare-collectors, but at the same time it suggests those people need to undergo some mandated (and obviously state-funded) therapy.

So I guess the real argument is: Does it cost less to rehabilitate addicts and then support them or just support them? Or, I guess that's the real question if you're motivated by purely financial ends.

Or, do you think the populace is better served by offering as much assistance as possible to the most unhealthy among us? Do I benefit more from removing benefits from the child of a habitual crack *****, or helping the child of a ****-smoking ghetto ***** achieve semi-equal footing with his/her peers.

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#6 Feb 27 2008 at 2:15 AM Rating: Default
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To me it's not even a question.


I agree. They should just be struck off welfare. In fact, the very fact they are on welfare suggests they are on drugs. Or black. Either way, it's rape.

I also think that anyone who applies for a driving license should pass a mandatory drug test every year. And if they fail, they either go to treatment or are banned from driving for a year. Well, we don't want druggies driving on our roads, do we?
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#7 Feb 27 2008 at 2:35 AM Rating: Good
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Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
To me it's not even a question.


I agree. They should just be struck off welfare. In fact, the very fact they are on welfare suggests they are on drugs. Or black. Either way, it's rape.

I also think that anyone who applies for a driving license should pass a mandatory drug test every year. And if they fail, they either go to treatment or are banned from driving for a year. Well, we don't want druggies driving on our roads, do we?



While both parts of your post seem sarcastic and ultimately irrelevant, given that you live in a strange communist land, I will still show your bizarre comments the courtesy I would give any human.

Haha, what the fUck did I just write?

I haven't had a driver's license in years. I have insurance, and I paid over thirty thousand dollars in taxes last year. I'd appreciate it if you stayed on subject.

Black crack heads don't deserve anything but the cement grave they can't afford to dig for themselves.
#8 Feb 27 2008 at 2:52 AM Rating: Decent
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While both parts of your post seem sarcastic and ultimately irrelevant


You had me at "hello" /swoon

I mean, sorry, yeah, it was rather irrelvant to the OP. What I meant to say was that I don't have a driving licence either, and I do just fine. But don't you need, like, a tractor driving licence or something? I imagine those babies can reach up to 6 mph, if pimped up a bit.

As for the OP, I'm of course against the idea, but being a communist pinko drug-using meat-eating surender monkey, its not really surprising.

And isn't welfare in the US peanuts anyway?
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#9 Feb 27 2008 at 2:59 AM Rating: Decent
It takes a lot of peanuts to feed that many elephants.
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#11 Feb 27 2008 at 6:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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What you're missing is the difference between offering help and requiring that people avail themselves of it.

The legislation will fail for the same reason it failed elsewhere.
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Or, do you think the populace is better served by offering as much assistance as possible to the most unhealthy among us? Do I benefit more from removing benefits from the child of a habitual crack *****, or helping the child of a ****-smoking ghetto ***** achieve semi-equal footing with his/her peers.


I think that you guys really lose touch with what this legislation means. Some drugs are more easily detected than others--and if they measure it by legality, someone can be busted and kicked off welfare rolls for smoking marijuana just as easily as taken heroin. If you view it as a public health issue, it doesn't even address people who are severe alcoholics, by far the drug that kills the most people and causes the most birth defects. Frankly, I'd hate to live in California and pay the taxes to send a bunch of welfare recipients to drug rehab b/c they smoke weed.
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#13 Feb 27 2008 at 11:51 AM Rating: Good
I don't see why he isn't proposing everyone who gives birth at a hospital should be given drug tests. Whether his mother bought drugs with welfare money or money from other means really would not have given him a better life.

Of course, I oppose either - and they have no chance of becoming effective law. Especially in California. I have no doubt that it could garner great support as a proposition, but it strikes me even if it became law, it would likely be declared unconstitutional (state constitution, not federal) like so many other propositions we have passed.
#14 Feb 27 2008 at 4:22 PM Rating: Good
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the annual "There Ought To Be A Law" contest sponsored by Republican Assemblyman John Benoit of Palm Desert.


and this bill which would outlaw driving with a dog in your lap, I'm starting to think that our Republican legislators here in CA are the ones who need to be tested for drugs.

That or they're just really fucking bored...
#15 Feb 27 2008 at 4:36 PM Rating: Decent
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While I see how this could cause innocent children to fall through the cracks, I still think this with some additional safety nets put in place could be a great thing.


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