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#1 Feb 22 2008 at 9:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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KUAM News has learned that a B-2 stealth bomber crashed at Andersen Air Force Base this morning. The incident happened at around 10:45am Saturday, as information we've gathered so far indicates that a lead B-2 aircraft took off and became safely airborne, but when minutes later a second bomber took off for reasons that are unknown at this point, that aircraft crashed.

However, at least two pilots were ejected before the plane hit. Their conditions are unknown at this time. AAFB public affairs officials have not been able to be reached for comment on the matter.

Meanwhile, Yigo residents have reported that they've seen large plumes of black smoke coming from the nearby military base. Additionally, according to Guam Fire Department Angel Llagas, a large explosion was also reported to the island's 911 service this morning, and two units responded to the area.

This is the second military aircraft that has crashed in the last 11 days. On February 12 a Navy Ea-6b Prowler attached to the U.S.S. Kittyhawk strike group went down about 20 miles to the north of AAFB. All four of the pilots in that incident were released from the hospital with minor injuries.

Some facts about the B-2 Spirit Bomber:

- Assigned to 393rd Expeditionary Bomb Squadron's 509th Bomb Wing
- Homebased out of Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri
- Deployed to Guam as part of continuous bomber presence in Asia-Pacific region
- Primary function: Multi-role heavy bomber
- Armament: Conventional/nuclear weapons
- Payload: 40,000 lbs.
- Crew: Two pilots
- Unit cost: Approximately $1.2 billion

The U.S. Air Force released a statement following the event, reporting that a pair of pilots from the 509th were on board and ejected. They were evaluated by medical authorities and are said to be in good condition.

The B-2 was deployed to Andersen AFB from Whiteman AFB, Missouri. Emergency responders are currently at the site of the crash and the Air Force stated that a board of officers intends to investigate the accident.
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#2 Feb 22 2008 at 10:10 PM Rating: Excellent
The Navy might have $7b carriers, but you don't see them sinking.


USAF has approximately $2b Aircraft that crashes, yet US congress is worried about Carriers. Smiley: oyvey


Well to be fair:

1 carrier: ~$7b
6000 sailors with $250,000-$500,000 (%1,500,000,000-$3,000,000,000 total) life insurance.
over 75 aircraft over $50m each (375,000,000,000)


Not to mention parts, supplies, and fuel.


So your looking at over $385b+ on a single carrier, okay I guess congress does have something to worry about.

So, I guess, +1 post count.
#3 Feb 23 2008 at 2:03 PM Rating: Good
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BBC Online wrote:
Lieutenant Colonel Doug Smith from the USAF told the BBC that both pilots, who have not been identified, were safe.

"The two pilots... ejected prior to the crash. One of them was medically evaluated and released and the other is in a stable condition at a naval hospital," he said.
That was posted a few hours ago.

I wonder if US Airmen have to pick up the tab when they run out of sky in such an expensive kite?
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#4 Feb 23 2008 at 2:06 PM Rating: Good
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It is actually 2 Billion per aircraft or was it really the cost of all the R & D to create it, plus the cost to build the ordered number divided by the ordered number comes out to around 2 Billion per, because I suspect the cost of the materials and labor to build a new one would be around a couple hundred million.
#5 Feb 23 2008 at 4:46 PM Rating: Default
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I'm of the opinion that if the people and government of the United States trust you with a two billion dollar aircraft, you bloody well land the thing safely or go down with the ship in an effort to do so.

Do you have any idea how long it takes me to earn two billion dollars?
#6 Feb 23 2008 at 6:01 PM Rating: Decent
fhrugby the Wise wrote:
It is actually 2 Billion per aircraft or was it really the cost of all the R & D to create it, plus the cost to build the ordered number divided by the ordered number comes out to around 2 Billion per, because I suspect the cost of the materials and labor to build a new one would be around a couple hundred million.


no, they are 2billion EACH and the US has 21 active. at the time of their order (just prior to the fall of the berlin wall IIRC) the USAF had 50 on order. or something insane like that.
#7 Feb 23 2008 at 7:01 PM Rating: Good
Singdall wrote:
fhrugby the Wise wrote:
It is actually 2 Billion per aircraft or was it really the cost of all the R & D to create it, plus the cost to build the ordered number divided by the ordered number comes out to around 2 Billion per, because I suspect the cost of the materials and labor to build a new one would be around a couple hundred million.


no, they are 2billion EACH and the US has 21 active. at the time of their order (just prior to the fall of the berlin wall IIRC) the USAF had 50 on order. or something insane like that.


ACTUALLY....


B-2 PROGRAM FISCAL YEAR 1998 
PRESIDENT'S BUDGET 
=========================================================== Appendix I 
 
                         (Then-year dollars in millions) 
 
                                  Fiscal year 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
                  1996/                                   2001/ 
                  prior    1997    1998    1999    2000      04       Total 
---------------  ------  ------  ------  ------  ------  ------  =============== 
Development 
 program 
Northrop         $20,26  $489.1  $286.5   $15.8  $183.4   $51.8     $21,295.6 
                    8.9 
GE Engines        564.0     4.9       0       0       0       0       568.9 
Armament          121.2     3.6       0       0       0       0       124.7 
Aircrew           561.2     0.2       0       0       0       0       561.4 
 training 
Mission           252.6    21.6    18.8     8.2       0       0       301.2 
 planning 
Government test   732.7    36.8    28.1    12.2    13.0    40.4       863.0 
Other             573.7     2.3     1.4     0.5     0.5     0.1       579.5 
 government 
 tests 
Engineering           0     9.8    14.9     2.4     5.0     2.2       34.3 
 changes 
Direct release    316.1    27.2     5.9     6.1     7.6     4.9       367.7 
================================================================================ 
Development      $23,39  $595.5  $355.8   $44.9  $209.5   $99.3     $24,696.3 
 total              1.4 
 
Procurement 
 program 
Air vehicle      $15,27   $38.8   $33.3   $24.3   $49.0   $54.1     $15,476.3 
                    6.8 
Equipment/       1,418.    24.7    26.0     9.9     2.1     1.9      1,482.9 
 data/training        3 
Interim           154.6     4.5    44.0    45.6    47.6    10.0       306.3 
 contractor 
 support 
Spares            961.4    35.0    67.9    27.5    26.0    12.7      1,130.5 
Retrofit          105.5     6.1    13.8    16.3    22.2    44.1       208.0 
Other              90.4     7.1    17.2    17.1    15.4     0.6       147.8 
 government 
 costs 
Software          400.2     1.1    42.4   127.4       0       0       570.9 
 support 
Mission support    12.3    15.1    11.5    11.2     9.4     9.4       68.9 
Facilities        108.9     3.6       0       0       0       0       112.5 
================================================================================ 
Procurement      $18,52  $136.0  $255.9  $279.3  $171.7  $132.8     $19,504.1 
 total              8.4 
================================================================================ 
Military         $526.5       0   $27.1       0       0       0      $553.6 
 construction 
 total 
================================================================================ 
B-2 program      $42,44  $731.5  $638.8  $324.2  $381.2  $232.1     $44,754.0 
 total              6.3 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
Source:  Air Force B-2 Program Office. 


As we can see from the table above, the actual cost of the plane itself is about $737 million (Air Vehicle total: $15,476.3 million / 21 bombers built). The procurement costs include another $4 billion or so for contractor support, spare parts, retrofitting, training, software, and mission support facilities, for a total of $19.5 billion in procurement. The R&D budget was a whopping $24,696.3 million, which, when added to procurement and construction costs, comes out to about $44,754 million, which, when divided by 21, equates to about $2.1 billion per craft.

So no, it's not $2 billion PER AIRCRAFT, or at least, it wouldn't be if we ordered more of them.

Edited, Feb 23rd 2008 9:06pm by BrownDuck
#8 Feb 23 2008 at 7:11 PM Rating: Decent
ahh well that is good to read.
#9 Feb 23 2008 at 7:14 PM Rating: Decent
Singdall wrote:
ahh well that is good to read.


Yep. Funny how they just throw numbers out at ya sometimes.
#10 Feb 23 2008 at 8:14 PM Rating: Decent
yup yup.
#11 Feb 25 2008 at 6:29 AM Rating: Decent
extra news on this situation. it would seem the USAF has grounded the B2 fleet for now as a result of this crash.
#12 Feb 28 2008 at 11:59 AM Rating: Good
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My friend flies RC-135's right now, but has been thinkin of moving to Missouri to start training for B2's... wonder if this will affect her decision.
#13 Feb 28 2008 at 1:50 PM Rating: Decent
TidusBlue wrote:
My friend flies RC-135's right now, but has been thinkin of moving to Missouri to start training for B2's... wonder if this will affect her decision.


the only real issue is if she has applied for a change of MOS and it has already been granted.
#14 Feb 29 2008 at 11:33 AM Rating: Good
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1.2 bil.

You just know the military-industrial complex fat cats are lighting up their Cohibas with $1000 bills.

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#15 Mar 04 2008 at 1:02 PM Rating: Default
the real shame of it is, the B2 was obsolete before the first one rolled off the asembly line. it was the last of a giant cold war mentality of outspending russia into economic ruin.

it doesnt carry the payload of a B52, and its only other claim to fame, a nuclear strike platform, doesnt compare to a land or sea launched missle traveling close to 3000 kph.

its a fantastic machine. a testament to ingenuity and american knowhow. but its role is limited and other means available for a whole lot less money are just as effective and sometimes more effective. they should mothball them along with the sr71.
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