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#52 Feb 27 2008 at 4:53 AM Rating: Good
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What ive noticed in the campaigns that women discrimination in the US is accepted, i saw a hillary open debate and a redneck asked: "why dont you go iron clothes" and a few in the room chuckled.
If that same redneck asked during a Obama debate: "Why dont go shine shoes" he would have been lynched.

Also i think a lot of people hate Hillary for only being a strong woman, a lot of both men and women are intimidated by this woman with balls, with all the "hell *****" comments and such.

I personally think she is the person for the US because she's had all that media crap over the years and still she runs for president, i think she's an idealist and a real politic beast.
While Obama is a greenhorn with his "change" and no plan how's hes going to get the senate behind him. His plans are a bit unrealistic.
And he said stupid stuff like attacking Pakistan and Iran at the start of his campaign. In short nobody knows what Obama exactly will do if he gets elected or if he's going to accomplish anything. If he doesnt get blown away by McCain in the first place.

I dont really know how the campaigns are running bc i dont live in the US, so what the @#%^ do i know? But from an outside PoV and what i know about their programmes Hillary is my preferable candidate.

Edited, Feb 27th 2008 2:02pm by Sjans
#53 Feb 27 2008 at 8:09 PM Rating: Default
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Sjans wrote:
Also i think a lot of people hate Hillary for only being a strong woman, a lot of both men and women are intimidated by this woman with balls, with all the "hell *****" comments and such.


While the specific verbiage obviously refers to her sex, she didn't get it just for being a woman, nor even for being a "strong woman". She got it as a result of her own actions when she was First Lady. She had a habit of being incredibly nasty to people for minor perceived slights. She was notorious for snubbing and bashing anyone who wore a military uniform. And she's well known for throwing fits and "punishing" people who get in her way politically (like, say, them finding themselves being audited by the IRS, investigated by some committee for some bunked up reason, use of executive resources to dig up dirt on them, etc...).


The reason the rank and file Republicans are more afraid of her then Obama has nothing to do with their relative political positions, and a whole lot to do with her well known vindictiveness. If she were to become president with a Dem congress backing her, the Republicans can basically expect to have 4 years straight of investigations into any and everything, just because they're Republicans. She's just mean...
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#54 Feb 28 2008 at 1:55 AM Rating: Decent
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She's just mean...


Then call her a shark or something similar but not discriminating her gender. You dont call Obama a bounty? The female discrimination goes deep by certain people in it seems.

And since when is vindictiveness a bad trait in politics? She intimidates people and get the "the other guys" pooping in their pants, if she is elected (slim chance, i realise) and she gets the senate to rank-and-file, shell get much done.

Edited, Feb 28th 2008 11:27am by Sjans
#55 Feb 28 2008 at 7:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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While Obama is a greenhorn with his "change" and no plan how's hes going to get the senate behind him. His plans are a bit unrealistic.
And he said stupid stuff like attacking Pakistan and Iran at the start of his campaign. In short nobody knows what Obama exactly will do if he gets elected or if he's going to accomplish anything. If he doesnt get blown away by McCain in the first place.
Obama never mentioned attacking Iran. The closest a Democrat has come with that was Clinton's vote in favor of declaring the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps a foreign terrorist organization.

Obama said that he would strike in Pakistan (which is different from "attacking Pakistan" which implies an attempt to defeat the national armed forces there) if he had firm intelligence of high value targets that Pakistan could/would not act upon. He was largely vindicated a week ago when the US did exactly that -- lauched a drone without Pakistan's permission and killed Al'Qaeda's #3 guy. I guess Clinton would have let the Al'Qaeda leader go while she sat on the phone and begged Pakistan to help?

Clinton's biggest campaign thrust, health care, is a joke. Before she goes on about it, she needs to answer this: Given that the Democrats aren't going to hold 61+ seats in the Senate next year, what is her plan to push past the inevitable Republican filibuster? She doesn't leave much room for compromise, saying that her mandate is non-negotiable and that universal coverage is non-negotiable. Her plan is one of the most partisan and devisive pieces of the Clinton legacy. So, once the Republicans filibuster against involuntary HillaryCare, what's her plan? If it's all or nothing, how will she guarantee the "all" so we don't wind up with "nothing"?

The simple answer is that she can't. Clinton can be as passionate about health care as she'd like but it's going to wind up in the same bin as Bush's Social Security reform. For all her derisive talk of hopes and dreams, she might as well be planning on having her plan carried into the Senate by a fairy riding a unicorn.
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#56 Feb 28 2008 at 8:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Then call her a shark or something similar but not discriminating her gender. You dont call Obama a bounty? The female discrimination goes deep by certain people in it seems.


Shouldn't you be making me some bacon and eggs?

No one cares that she's a woman, except other women that look like her. She's just a ****** candidate who waited too long to take a shot at this. It's over. Let it the **** go. It's not a glass ceiling, it's not sexism, it's better candidateism.
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