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#1 Feb 19 2008 at 6:00 AM Rating: Good
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HAVANA, Cuba (CNN) -- Fidel Castro announced his resignation as president of Cuba and commander in chief of Cuba's military Tuesday, according to a letter published in the state-run newspaper, Granma.

The resignation ends nearly a half-century of iron-fisted rule that inspired revolutionaries but frustrated 10 U.S. presidents.

Castro revealed his plans without notice by publishing a letter in the middle of the night in state-run newspaper Granma.

"I will not aspire to, nor will I accept the position of president of the council of state and commander in chief," Castro wrote. "I wish only to fight as a soldier of ideas. ... Perhaps my voice will be heard."

#2 Feb 19 2008 at 6:13 AM Rating: Decent
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HAVANA, Cuba (CNN) -- Fidel Castro announced his resignation as president of Cuba and commander in chief of Cuba's military Tuesday, according to a letter published in the state-run newspaper, Granma.

The resignation ends nearly a half-century of iron-fisted rule that inspired revolutionaries but frustrated 10 U.S. presidents.

Castro revealed his plans without notice by publishing a letter in the middle of the night in state-run newspaper Granma.

"I will not aspire to, nor will I accept the position of president of the council of state and commander in chief," Castro wrote. "I wish only to fight as a soldier of ideas. ... Perhaps my voice will be heard."

Technically, he hasn't been president for the last year and half. It will be interesting to see if Raul or whoever takes over can actually make decisions indepentently of Fidel.

Would be cool to visit Cuba. Smiley: grin
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#3 Feb 19 2008 at 6:20 AM Rating: Good
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Would be cool to visit Cuba. Smiley: grin
Going to suck losing our direct flights.
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#4 Feb 19 2008 at 7:07 AM Rating: Good
Excuse me...OMFG.I expect my family to be going crazy the rest of the day.

I hope this means better days ahead for Cuba. I just greatly lament that my grandfather did not live to see this. :(
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Excuse me...OMFG.I expect my family to be going crazy the rest of the day.

I hope this means better days ahead for Cuba. I just greatly lament that my grandfather did not live to see this. :(
The Council of State (or whatever they call it) said there would be no changes to the way that the country operates.

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But Cuban officials insisted there would be no transition, saying the island's socialist political and economic systems would outlive Castro.

http://www.fox19.com/global/story.asp?s=7891251

Raul did say that he wants to work on better living conditions though, which I am sure is much needed.
#6 Feb 19 2008 at 7:24 AM Rating: Decent
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The Council of State (or whatever they call it) said there would be no changes to the way that the country operates.


Yes I know...unfortunately. Still, I would have liked him to at least have seen this, as opposed to passing away when Cuba was still under him. His greatest dream was seem a whole and united Cuba, again. I know this is still far off though, so I'm not quite holdig my breath. :)
#7 Feb 19 2008 at 8:04 AM Rating: Good
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When is Al Davis of the Raiders going to follow Fidel's lead? Both have seen their best days long, long ago, and both are/were managing a broken organization.

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#8 Feb 19 2008 at 8:54 AM Rating: Good
It's great that he resigned and all...

But real change won't happen until he dies and his brother dies/resigns as well.

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#9 Feb 19 2008 at 11:00 AM Rating: Excellent
Also from CNN:

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The U.S. embargo on Cuba will remain in place despite Fidel Castro's announcement that he's resigning as Cuba's leader, Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte said Tuesday.....

President Bush said the move should spark "a democratic transition" for the communist island nation.


However, we know that, at least until Raúl is dead or also resigns, that change will not actually take place in Cuba. The Commission for Assistance of a Free Cuba was for when Fidel passed away/resigned, not Raúl. Only time will tell how Raúl's policies differ from Fidel's, if any; and if any sort of collaboration with us could be done to bring Cuba closer to democracy. Raúl has been known to actually think differently from his brother, but has not thus far acted on anything or against his brother's policies. If anything, it would not be until Fidel's actual death that we might see any sort of change happening from Raúl; and even so, it's quite unlikely.Still, one likes to hope.

On a lighter note, I'd like to show you all this picture that was taken in 1959 of my grandfather and Fidel. My grandfather was a prominent journalist in Cuba who traveled with Fidel and was one of the first to report in the magazine he wrote for, Bohemia, of Fidel's true socialist intentions- hence why he had to come here to the US, or be killed. This picture, however, is priceless, and it always makes me smile in memory of my grandfather. :) Plus, it's a statement to the free-thinking people of the world, and I just had to dig it up for today.
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#10 Feb 19 2008 at 1:46 PM Rating: Good
Expect a dialogue between reporters and the Presidential Candidates in regards to this, but don't expect much change between how we deal with Cuba now and how we will when the next Commander in Chief takes office.

I expect the Dems to possibly say they'd consider ending some of the sanctions against Cuba, while the Pubbies will continue "staying the course".

The war against communism died with the former Soviet Union and open trade between the USA and China. I mean, we have a capitalist economy, so why don't we do business with Cuba?
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Does this mean I won't have to drive to Qubec for a decent bottle of rum and a cigar now?
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#12 Feb 19 2008 at 4:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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meh, he's probably been dead for three months already.

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#13 Feb 19 2008 at 5:07 PM Rating: Good
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Viva Fidel!!!
#14 Feb 19 2008 at 5:40 PM Rating: Default
OMG NOW THE WORLD IS SAFE FOR DEMOCRACY
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PsiChi the Fussy wrote:
Raul did say that he wants to work on better living conditions though, which I am sure is much needed.

Well they could always expand the housing development of Guantanamo.
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#16 Feb 20 2008 at 2:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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Viva Fidel!!!


Smiley: mad!

OK, I kid. I couldn't care less. This was just a +1.
#17 Feb 20 2008 at 4:06 AM Rating: Good
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When is Al Davis of the Raiders going to follow Fidel's lead? Both have seen their best days long, long ago, and both are/were managing a broken organization.

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#18 Feb 20 2008 at 6:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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meh, he's probably been dead for three months already.

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Fark mentioned the possibility that Castro died in the middle of the night, and that's why they announced the transition then - without, of course, mentioning any such thing.

I tend to think it was just to avoid pesky questions.

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#19 Feb 21 2008 at 1:13 PM Rating: Decent
im not an advocate for communism. nor do i adhear to the ideology of secular government, or a dictator.

but......

if it wasnt for Castro, Cuba would look today like Miami does. a giant concrete parking lot where the beaches are closed off for those that can afford to own a condo, or stay at one of the over priced hotels along the beach, with mabe a small section open to the public.

thats what capitolists call.....progress. you have something nice? how can i make a buck off of it. welcome to america.
#20 Feb 21 2008 at 3:44 PM Rating: Decent
Shadow, do you know anything what Cuba, what Havana, was like before Castro took over? It was nothing like Miami, and Castro's influence has been devastating in what was once a great country. Havana was a great and very popular city, that many say might have only been surpassed in this hemisphere by American cities such as New York. It's obvious from your comment that you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to either Miami or Cuba- very ignorant statement.

Edited, Feb 21st 2008 6:45pm by Alixana
#21 Feb 21 2008 at 5:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Shadow, do you know anything what Cuba, what Havana, was like before Castro took over?


You mean this

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Batista was the de facto military leader of Cuba from 1933 to 1940 and the de jure President of Cuba from 1940 to 1944 after having won election. After staging a successful coup in 1952, Batista ran unopposed in an election in 1954, and ruled the nation until handing over power on the last day of 1958. The reason given for that event being the political unrest caused mostly by a multi-faction, mainly-student, opposition insurgency. Fidel Castro's guerrilla movement was one of the groups involved in this Cuban Revolution. It is estimated that over 20,000 people were murdered by the Batista regime in acts of political repression, most of whom were tortured.


Batista was by any definition of the word a dictator.

You have your SUVs, your big screen TV and your Ipod. They have free education and health care(on par with any industrialized country despite the sanction and embargo). Not everybody got the same priorities.
#22 Feb 21 2008 at 6:49 PM Rating: Excellent
That was not what I meant in the slightest- I was talking about the culture of the people of Cuba, not the government in particular. Cuba also happened to have a very prominent middle class, which is what suffered the most with the onset of Castro's regime. Much of that middle class is in Miami today, including my own family, or spread elsewhere in the United States. Was the government perfect? Of course not, with the popularity of casinos and tourism, Cuba was also quite corrupted at the time and change was necessary- but certainly it did not require Castro, which has, above all things, now made the situation worse than it ever was under Batista. I am well aware of Batista's travesties, and I did not require a history lesson.


Edited, Feb 21st 2008 9:54pm by Alixana
#23 Feb 21 2008 at 6:50 PM Rating: Decent
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That was not what I meant in the slightest- I was talking about the culture of the people of Cuba, not the government in particular. Cuba also happened to have a very prominent middle class, which is what suffered the most with the onset of Castro's regime. Much of that middle class is in Miami today, including my own family, or spread elsewhere in the United States. Was the government perfect? Of course not, with the popularity of casinos and tourism, Cuba was also quite corrupted at the time and change was necessary- but certainly it did not require Castro, which has, above all things, now made the situation worse than it ever was under Batista. I am well aware of Batista's travesties, and I did not require a history lesson


My apology. I was under the impression that you meant times were better under Batista. They might have been for selected few but overall it was not christmas everyday and democracy was inexistent. As for the culture, I guess you haven't been in Cuba in a long time but I don't think cubans have lost their culture and I'm sure most of them would disagree with you.

Did you ever wonder what Cuba would be today under Castro without the embargo?
#25 Feb 21 2008 at 7:31 PM Rating: Excellent
Apology accepted. :)

I'll admit, I've never been to Cuba- however, my mother emigrated here along with my grandparents. I've been hearing first-hand accounts of what Cuba, specifically Havana, was like from my family. I've seen pictures, movies, and heard a lot of stories from my grandparents especially on the social, political, and cultural climates of Cuba up until they left in 1960. I would love more than nothing to visit Cuba someday, but, I don't think I want to under the current regime. Miami is an extremely poor substitute and I think it is not really representative of Cuba, either of what it used to be, what it is today, or what it could be under a different government.

So, what I meant about a culture change, is that to many Cubans here in the USA, leaving their own home is pretty devastating. Elements of culture and tradition are still there of course- and I was raised in much of it my whole life. However, in living in a different country, whether it be here or somewhere else, you naturally begin to absorb elements of that new culture. It's not necessarily a bad thing, but especially for first-generation Americans such as myself, I am much more American than Cuban. My mother was so young when she came here, that she herself identifies herself as much more "Cuban-American" than simply Cuban, and for obvious reasons. Not only that, but in Cuba itself, there has been a huge Cuban culture loss, I'd say. As a people, Cubans have always been extremely individualistic, which at times is in contrast to other Latino cultures (most, though not all of the others learn more towards the collectivist). Cubans were definitely capitalist in nature, but their strong middle class could have ensured a nation very much different from those under Batista or Castro...one much more like America's- or should I say the idealized America, not exactly what it has become now. By the very nature of the socialist dictatorship government in Cuba today, it goes very much against the traditional "nature" of Cuban culture, as I understand it.

Of course, there may be some that disagree with me, and I can understand why people would dislike Miami- I am not crazy about it, either. However, it's a very diverse city filled with much more than Cubans and much more than haves and have-nots. In Miami, it's also easy to find people from a wide variety of Latin American cultures, as well as Haitians, Jamaicans, etc. and it still has a relatively strong middle class, and areas that are both culturally diverse and interesting, not just expensive malls and condos.

I got off-track and forgot to answer your last question. I have given it a lot of thought, and I am not sure what I think it'd be like under Castro, but without the embargo. Cuba would probably be less destitute and more successful over all, but at the same political climate would still persist. I think we'd still be in a similar situation, except we'd probably have less Cuban immigrants and perhaps even better relations with the island...but I think the inherent culture of the island would still be affected the the restrictions of the socialist dictatorship in place, sadly.

As a silly anecdote to the individualist comment, I was once going to the supermarket with my grandmother, who proceeded to enter through the exit door. I said "Abuela, that's the exit door, you can't do that!" She responded, "I'm Cuban, I can do whatever the hell I want".Smiley: lol



Edited, Feb 21st 2008 10:33pm by Alixana

Edited, Feb 21st 2008 10:37pm by Alixana
#26 Feb 22 2008 at 2:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Since you answer my question honestly, I will give you my own opinion and tell you why I asked.

I don't buy into the criticism from outside elements (like cubans exile in miami)since they are obviously biased. The Castro regime is far from being perfect but there's still some good that came with it like the health care and education system that puts to shame most of the industrialized world including my country(and mind you we have universal health care).

The complaints about the lack of freedom, democracy, human rights etc... usually comes from outside elements. Rarely if you talk to people who lives in Cuba you will hear this kind of criticism. What Cubans complain about is not the system but the short supplies of basic goods, increasing prices,low income and the lack of opportunities.

Most of these problems would not exist if it wasn't for the embargo and sanctions that they've been under for almost 50 years now. Of course we will never know but what I got from my visits to Cuba and from a few Cuban friends that lives over there is that Castro is not the problem in Cuba and most of them loves him like a father. The problem is the embargo plain and simple. Cubans are proud people and I have no doubt that if Castro was that bad, they would have removed him long ago like they removed Batista.

This is of course only my opinion for what it's worth and I don't mean any disrespect to you or your family. I just don't think that cuban exiles in miami are the most trusted sources of unbiased information about Cuba. Some people saw their lives get worst as a result of the revolution and left for Miami, a whole lot stayed and saw their lives get better untill they started to feel the repercussion of the embargo.
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