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#1 Feb 14 2008 at 6:41 AM Rating: Good
We currently take our daughter to a childcare center (Kindercare) and the tuition, while high, is worth it we feel because the staff take such good care of her and she is learning so much while going there. You can tell that they really care about her and want to see her do well.

Now that we have Zoe, I got the quote for what the new tuition rate will be with both kids yesterday and basically monthly tuition will end up taking about %40 of what we take home each month. I'm not entirely sure we can afford that kind of hit, most likely I'm going to have to get a second job to pay for it and thus I won't be around my family as much as I like as I have school on top of everything else.

My wife's friend takes her kids to a home daycare who has 2 openings available and she would watch our kids for substantially less than what we're paying now for just Aedyn. However, home daycares scare the **** out of me, almost every horror story I've heard about child care is usually at a home daycare. What I'm wondering is, what would/do you do for your child care needs?

Daycare?
Home:7 (35.0%)
Center:2 (10.0%)
I watch my own kids:11 (55.0%)
Total:20
#2 Feb 14 2008 at 6:48 AM Rating: Good
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I don't see a problem with home daycare as long as you do you research. I would think there are licensing requirements of some sort, and maybe you could talk to some of the other parents to ask what they think, how long they've been using the place in question, etc.

I sympathize, daycare is rediculously expensive. Another option might be to consider one of you filling in the home care role. Depending on what you guys make, it may be cheaper and I'm a firm believer in at least one parent raising the kids at least until they reach school age.

Of course, easy for me to say since I don't have kids.
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#3 Feb 14 2008 at 6:52 AM Rating: Default
40% of your total income on childcare is a bit excessive, no matter the quality, IMO. Home daycare is kind of like buying a used car, but with even more disastrous consequences if something goes wrong. I personally would never do it unless I was a personal friend or relative of the caregiver. Even then, I would have my doubts.

It's hard to recommend against the more expensive daycare, because really, price is second to the care your child receives, but also, if you're going to be spending less time at home as a result of the cost, maybe that disadvantage will offset the advantages of your current care provider.

I'm going back and forth here, and it's not even my decision. I don't envy you, and wish you luck on making the right one.

Edit: Home daycare DOES require a state license (good point kakar), but only if you have a certain number of children (like 3 or more, I think). The law does vary from state to state, but I would check it and make sure that if you decide to give a home daycare a shot, the provider is fully licensed and compliant with child care and health regulations as they apply.

Edited, Feb 14th 2008 8:54am by BrownDuck
#4 Feb 14 2008 at 6:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Are there no other daycare centers that you could look into?

If you go with the home daycare, I'd just keep your eyes open. Maybe pop in unannounced every once in a while. I certainly wouldn't take on a second job. Be a good parent to your kids. Don't count on someone else to do it for you. Trust me when I tell you that financially supporting your children isn't nearly as important to their wellbeing as you being there and a part of their lives.
#5 Feb 14 2008 at 7:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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Wint, maybe neither of you are interested period, but have you run the numbers on one of you staying home with the kids? It may be less expensive, and you'd have no fear and complete control over the children's learning.

It's not for everyone (I'd go ******* crazy), but it may be an option that's more affordable and possibly more rewarding, depending on personality types.

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#6 Feb 14 2008 at 7:04 AM Rating: Good
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I grew up in home daycare and I loved it. The family that watched over me was wonderful, loving, and became a part of my family for a long time after I started school full time. I have a friend who does inhome daycare and all of us moms call her a saint as she has sooo much patience. I've never heard her yell in all of the 6 years I have known her, even being swamped by screaming crying kids.

My SIL watched over my oldest when he was a baby and I went back to work. I took him out of there due to neglect and the insane cost even with it being family.

Sick and I made the hard decision jointly that I would stay home and take care of the kids. We would never have to worry about neglect, abuse, or anything else. Plus the amount we were paying FOR daycare was close to the amount I was pulling in, so it was not worth me working at the time.

The choice you have is one no one can really answer but yourself and your wife. You need to do what your gut tells you and go from there.
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I've been blessed with a string of outstanding home daycare providers who very obviously grew attached to my son and treated him like one of their own children. Each time we had to switch it felt like a real loss. His current provider is a little less maternal towards him but he's also older now and she has a few more kids so it's probably a good thing.

That's just my experience though and I'll admit that there's probably a lot of sketchy people out there. But I'm not scared off by the notion -- it just means you interview and visit the home. Ask how many kids she watches, if she's licensed, etc.

Edited, Feb 14th 2008 9:08am by Jophiel
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#8 Feb 14 2008 at 7:10 AM Rating: Good
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Plus the amount we were paying FOR daycare was close to the amount I was pulling in, so it was not worth me working at the time.
This is the same situation one of my friends is in. His wife working and them paying for daycare results in them earning a couple $100 more than if she stayed home. She went back to work, but only because her job also offers a medical benefits package, otherwise, she'd be at home too. For me and my girlfriend, I make enough to cover us and have a medical benefits package. It also helps that they're not my kids and she receives child support in addition to Canada's Baby bonus. Even without those though, we'd still be making the same decision as we can afford it.
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#9 Feb 14 2008 at 7:33 AM Rating: Good
Home daycare, in my opinion, is the way to go. Both by financial and atmosphere standpoints. But as said:

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Maybe pop in unannounced every once in a while.


The important thing is that you're comfortable, and most Home daycare providers are both understanding of unannounced visits, as well as thorough interviewing and the "comfort" factor. If they aren't, then you should immediately rule that daycare provider out. State laws (I think) dictate the licensing requirements based on the number of children attending (I think age plays a role as well, however I'm not 100% on that).

The pro's of Home-based daycare are really something that cannot be ignored, if you find the right person to care for your child. My daycare provider is a retired educational professional (was a teacher for 35 years), and simply enjoys caring for and teaching young children. You cannot compare the attention & devotion given to your child in a small home environment, and they certainly become "part of the family".

And most importantly, aside from the financial benefit, it's typically easier to impose your own routines into a daycare of this type. Public/Formal/Center Daycare can have rotating shifts, non-routine employee coverage, and turnover rates that can stress important routine factors. Routines are what make children comfortable, and having one person caring for them, as well as imitating routines passed from you to the daycare provider, can make things so much easier. And to top it all off, most home daycare providers want to do what they do because they enjoy it. It's not necessarily a job to them, it's something they enjoy. If you can find something that fits all this criteria, I would have to say that it is almost always the right way to go.

Edited, Feb 14th 2008 10:33am by Ryneguy
#10 Feb 14 2008 at 7:36 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm watching my own kid right now, but he's still strapped into his carseat for the ride home from the hospital.
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#11 Feb 14 2008 at 7:37 AM Rating: Good
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Never mind I read that wrong. Dont mind me =)

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#12 Feb 14 2008 at 7:56 AM Rating: Good
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We had our son watched by a woman that was very good to him. He became like her own son. He's in school now, but this summer I hope to be able to use her again to watch him.

And my experience has been the opposite, Wint. I've always heard the nightmare stories about kids in daycare centers.
#13 Feb 14 2008 at 8:16 AM Rating: Good
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Ray and I had the same issues when all 3 of our ids were pretty young. We could have bought a Hummer for the monthly payment we paid into that daycare center. But, like you, we thought it was well worth it because the care, communication and everything else was top of the line.

Some home daycares are very well run. It really depends. All you can do is investigate the home daycare thoroughly, check out the references, make sure the license is up and current. Make sure that you and your wife are more than welcome to drop in anytime.
#14 Feb 14 2008 at 9:35 AM Rating: Good
Good points all really.

Unfortunately, we both make enough to loose a decent amount of take home pay if one of us were to leave work. There's also the fact that we're both in school still (although she's almost done) and our work fully reimburses us for our tuition costs and books. It would be hard to pay for that without the reimbursement we get. It's kind of a hard place to be in, we don't make enough to pay for daycare, but the amount we make plus the benefits we get make it hard to quit.

We haven't done a lot of discussing about it yet, I tried to bring it up yesterday and my wife started crying when I even suggested we take Aedyn out of the center and find home daycare for her. I see her point though, Aedyn has all of her friends there, she loves her teachers, and really has a blast there.

The center we take her to is actually one of the cheapest we looked at, and our employer gets us a 10% discount with them which helps too.

These are all things I've considered, it's going to be a tough decision either way.
#15 Feb 14 2008 at 9:40 AM Rating: Good
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Until I finish school, daycare would cost more than I could bring home, so it's not worth it. My mother-in-law will be watching Tristan when I have class.
#16 Feb 14 2008 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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Wint wrote:
Good points all really.

Unfortunately, we both make enough to loose a decent amount of take home pay if one of us were to leave work. There's also the fact that we're both in school still (although she's almost done) and our work fully reimburses us for our tuition costs and books. It would be hard to pay for that without the reimbursement we get. It's kind of a hard place to be in, we don't make enough to pay for daycare, but the amount we make plus the benefits we get make it hard to quit.

We haven't done a lot of discussing about it yet, I tried to bring it up yesterday and my wife started crying when I even suggested we take Aedyn out of the center and find home daycare for her. I see her point though, Aedyn has all of her friends there, she loves her teachers, and really has a blast there.

The center we take her to is actually one of the cheapest we looked at, and our employer gets us a 10% discount with them which helps too.

These are all things I've considered, it's going to be a tough decision either way.
You really only have one option left. Move to Canada for a year and collect maternity leave for 12 months. That'll give you plenty of time to research daycares.
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#17 Feb 14 2008 at 10:55 AM Rating: Good
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Edited, Feb 14th 2008 10:37am by DSD

Why, what do you think I had him strapped to?!

You thought I left him strapped in the car didn't you!

We are both still amazed that the hospital let us take him away. Dumbasses!
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#18 Feb 14 2008 at 10:58 AM Rating: Good
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Ugh... 40% of combined income???

Not that money buys happiness but I am so glad my wife and I are on the same page when it comes to children. We may adopt if we so desire at a later date since right now we don't want to have our own. Perhaps in the future our attitudes may change.

Right now a 40% reduction in our income would leave us enought money to pay our mortgage, buy food, and maybe a new set of socks every month.

Hoenstly, I don't know how you parents do it. It's admirable but I can't live without my subscription to pornstarclassics.com
#19 Feb 14 2008 at 5:34 PM Rating: Good
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Can you split them, maybe one in home daycare since she'll mostly need only feeding, burping, changing etc and the other needs more of an education since she's pre-K? I say tell your wife to honestly consider where you are financially, and that change, if handled correctly and with optimism, can really help your daughter become a more resilient and ultimately happier and more successful human being.

Jr. goes to home care now, and, should I pop one out, I would want to put him/her in a Hispanic household, which means that they would possibly be in two different places. It's paramount to me that any child of mine grow up bilingual, and, absent my parents, this is the best way I can think of for them to experience a Spanish-speaking household.
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It's paramount to me that any child of mine grow up bilingual, and, absent my parents, this is the best way I can think of for them to experience a Spanish-speaking household.


Realizing this is a completely impossible real world option....


Tech Joph Spanish. A kid who grew up speaking Spanish with that accent would be the toughest badass on the planet from all the beatings he'd have to withstand. Also, name him "Melinda"

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Realizing this is a completely impossible real world option....


Tech Joph Spanish.
I've been trying since the day we met. It's my fondest wish, better than any gift he could ever give me. Charlemagne said that to speak another language is to have a second soul, and I can't emphasize how much I want to share that with him, show what it's meant to me.

So far, no dice. Smiley: lol
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I've been trying since the day we met. It's my fondest wish, better than any gift he could ever give me. Charlemagne said that to speak another language is to have a second soul, and I can't emphasize how much I want to share that with him, show what it's meant to me.


Sure, but how much Polish have YOU learned, moje serce?

HMM? Just because Spanish is useful and commonly spoken is no excuse!
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Sure, but how much Polish have YOU learned, moje serce?

HMM? Just because Spanish is useful and commonly spoken is no excuse!
I know more Polish than he does!
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I know more Polish than he does!


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Ugh... 40% of combined income???

Not that money buys happiness but I am so glad my wife and I are on the same page when it comes to children. We may adopt if we so desire at a later date since right now we don't want to have our own. Perhaps in the future our attitudes may change.

Right now a 40% reduction in our income would leave us enought money to pay our mortgage, buy food, and maybe a new set of socks every month.

Hoenstly, I don't know how you parents do it. It's admirable but I can't live without my subscription to pornstarclassics.com
40%? Yeah, I suppose that's about right. All said and done, I'm down about $2,000/month for what I pay for my kids between child support, insurance, and incidentals. That doesn't include what I spend on them when they are with me, though.

Without repeating what other's have already said, you can have **** childcare or fantastic childcare regardless of whether it's home care or a public facility.

For anyplace you are going to take your kid, check out the facilities. Most places have a place for kids to play in need to have it fenced in. Check the fencing to make sure it's in good shape. Make sure there aren't any hazards like sharp edged furniture or low hanging **** kids can grab. Stop by the place when they have kids there to check things out, what kind of environment your kid will be in during the day. Also good to check what kind of foods they give your kid. Any place that gives soda to kids is a bad idea.

Another thing to keep an eye on is what sort of kids are being watched at the place. I wouldn't bring my kid to a place that caters to dirtbags. Kids pick up bad behavior really quickly.
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I love my daughter's daycare/preschool. It's run by the university, so that helps, and I'm poor enough that I get the cost subsidized (albeit slightly). Things I would check out, regardless of facility:

-Meals, snacks, etc, as JD mentioned
-Child to caretaker/teacher ration
-Certifications/educational background of teachers, including First Aide
-Check references, ask around for word of mouth - you're at a university, use their BBS to ask for options or places to stay away from
-Tour the facility, don't take anyplace that doesn't have an open door policy, and ensure that they have strict regulations about who is allowed on site and who they allow to pick up the kiddos
-Ask about smoke alarms, emergency procedures


Another option is to try and find somewhere that offers hourly or part time rates as opposed to only having full time enrollment. You may be able to work out a deal if yours aren't going to be there from open until close. With a home daycare, you may also be able to work out some trade in services in addition to straight pay.

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