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#52 Feb 13 2008 at 8:55 AM Rating: Good
Singdall wrote:
what the hell are you talking about?


About the stupidity of comparing the NATO campaign in Kosovo to the war in Afghanistan in order to prove the cowardice of non-US/UK NATO countries and the irrelevance of the popularity of the US President with regards to the dispatching of troops by European governemnts, you braindead ****.

Which was your freaking argument in the first place.

I can't explain it in more simple terms without the use of coloured crayons and hand-puppets.

But if I had those, I'd stick the crayons up the puppets' ***, as clear an illustration of your understanding of international relations as we're gonna get.
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#53 Feb 13 2008 at 12:24 PM Rating: Good
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that is my point.

1. Clinton had NOTHING to do with GW1.
2. Clinton had more then a "b*tchfight* using NATO forces.

that is my point.

Tarv has no clue what he is talking about.


1. I quite clearly stated Clinton had nothing to do with GW 1
2. Kosovo was a UN and EU driven involvement.


Wouyld you like to know how i know this? It because when i was sailing in my British warship off kosovo during the Balken crisis my ship had a UN flag flying next to the Royal Ensign, and the NATO emblem that all UK warships carry had been removed.

You see Singdall people who actually took part in asction have just a slight bit more of a clue as to what was going on that those who have never been anywhere near the action.

And i have the UN medal to prove it.
#54 Feb 13 2008 at 5:49 PM Rating: Decent
no tarv, you stated that clinton had everything to do with GWI and that NATO had nothing to do with clinton being involved.

so you were the one who started that.

my only point was that it does not matter what pres. is in charge at the time. US troops are involved in NATO actions and have been since the begining.

have all of the other NATO nations done so?

NO.

has the UK, for the most part if not more so then the US.
#55 Feb 14 2008 at 4:46 AM Rating: Decent
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no tarv, you stated that clinton had everything to do with GWI and that NATO had nothing to do with clinton being involved.
No i didn't i meerly said before anyone brought up GM1 and associated actions that they where a UN driven action.

you know the no fly zone and numerous UN driven embargo actions thoughout the Clinton Administration.
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my only point was that it does not matter what pres. is in charge at the time. US troops are involved in NATO actions and have been since the begining.

have all of the other NATO nations done so?
I'm not sure how to answer that because you're not really saying anything that make even the remotest sence.

Are you somehow implying that ever American military Action should be NATO? or that American forgien policy should dictate how the govenment of say France should deal with a crisis in a part of the world they have no interest?

NATO is force that protects western Europe from attack from Eastern Europe, it was not designed to have members forced into offencive actions against thier own forgien policy.

Taken from the Treaty: They are resolved to unite their efforts for collective defence

In order more effectively to achieve the objectives of this Treaty, the Parties, separately and jointly, by means of continuous and effective self-help and mutual aid, will maintain and develop their individual and collective capacity to resist armed attack.

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
#56 Feb 14 2008 at 6:24 AM Rating: Good
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]I'm not sure how to answer that because you're not really saying anything that make even the remotest sence.
Get used to this feeling with him. He strays from the argument at hand often and/or fails to complete his thought process when typing. Read enough of his ramblings, and as you can see, they are that, and you'll be calling him Smiley: tinfoilhat, like I do. incredibly nice guy, but communication is not his strong point.
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#57 Feb 14 2008 at 7:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Baron von tarv wrote:
]I'm not sure how to answer that because you're not really saying anything that make even the remotest sence.
Get used to this feeling with him. He strays from the argument at hand often and/or fails to complete his thought process when typing. Read enough of his ramblings, and as you can see, they are that, and you'll be calling him Smiley: tinfoilhat, like I do. incredibly nice guy, but communication is not his strong point.


Neither is reading. But yes, incredibly nice guy if you can see past these things.
#58 Feb 14 2008 at 1:50 PM Rating: Decent
seems my post was removed.
#59 Feb 14 2008 at 4:00 PM Rating: Decent
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seems my post was removed.
Which one? did it make more sence than the one i linked?
#60 Feb 14 2008 at 7:05 PM Rating: Decent
i posted a long one going back to the OP and your statements about not saying anything about clinton and NATO when you did.
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