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#1 Feb 08 2008 at 10:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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A sexual assault victim whose assailant was found not guilty because he suffers from "sexsomnia," a rare sleep disorder, said Thursday it’s not revenge but accountability she’s after as the bizarre case came before the Ontario Court of Appeal.

In the early hours of July 6, 2003, the woman was roused from sleep following a house party and croquet tournament in Toronto’s Beaches community by a strange man lying on top of her, engaged in sexual intercourse.

"Who the hell are you and what are you doing?" the woman demanded, according to court documents.

"Jan," the bewildered-looking man replied.

Jan Luedecke confessed to the sexual assault, during which he was wearing a condom. But his lawyers successfully argued in 2005 that the landscaper is among a tiny fraction of the population that suffers from sexsomnia.

In fact, court heard Luedecke had engaged in "sleep sex" with four former girlfriends prior to the assault.

The trial judge acquitted Luedecke on the grounds the he could not have formed the intent to commit the assault, further concluding that his condition did not qualify as a "disease of the mind."



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#2 Feb 08 2008 at 10:21 AM Rating: Good
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a house party and croquet tournament


Brings out all the crazies.
#3 Feb 08 2008 at 10:26 AM Rating: Good
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On 30 November 2005, a Toronto court acquitted a man of sexual assault after he was diagnosed with sleep sex disorder, although prosecutors have filed an appeal of the acquittal as of February 2006. The Ontario Court of Appeal upheld the acquittal on 7 February 2008

In Britain a man from York was cleared of three counts of rape on 19 December 2005.

In Australia, a woman was reported as leaving her house at night and having sex with strangers while sleepwalking.

In 2006 a British man Manjot Singh claimed to be suffering from sleep sex as a defence in a high profile sexual harassment case. However the defence was not accepted by the jury and the defendant went on to be convicted for a string of related sexual crimes.

On 8 August 2007, a British RAF mechanic was cleared of a rape charge after the jury found him not responsible of his actions when he had sex with a 15-year-old girl.


The italicized part would be interesting to see. Smiley: laugh

I see how this could happen with your mate, but a complete stranger? Seriously?

How does a sleeping guy/gal end up in a stranger's bedroom, mount said stranger and actually start having sex without waking them up before they're already goin' at it?
#4 Feb 08 2008 at 10:27 AM Rating: Good
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How do I give this to the wife?
#5 Feb 08 2008 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
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How do I give this to the wife?

Ambien
#6 Feb 08 2008 at 10:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Wow, so this is actually rare? I always thought it was pretty normal to initiate sex while sleeping.

Edit: Granted I have quite a history of sleep disorder.

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Ambien


I was put on this to help regulate my cycle, and after the first night it didn't work anymore. Just made me feel really out of it, and food tasted wrong.

Edited, Feb 8th 2008 10:36am by Kachi
#7 Feb 08 2008 at 10:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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If this was an episode of L&O:SVU, Jan Luedecke would have been shot on the courthouse steps after being found not guilty. That's what happens to all the rapist: jail or the grave.
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#8 Feb 08 2008 at 10:51 AM Rating: Good
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<3 L&O:SVU
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<3 L&O:SVU

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#10 Feb 08 2008 at 11:17 AM Rating: Good
In my opinion, the hottest McCoy Toy ever was Angie Harmon.

Good God, I would violate her penal code.

I do love SVU, though, and I keep it on in the background as often as possible when I'm at the computer or cooking dinner or cleaning the house. The soundtrack of my life is full of half-heard snippets like, "Rape kit done; no *****", and, "Tearing suggests the sex was not consensual".
#11 Feb 08 2008 at 12:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
If this was an episode of L&O:SVU, Jan Luedecke would have been shot on the courthouse steps after being found not guilty. That's what happens to all the rapist: jail or the grave.


Actually, Joph, it WAS on an SVU last season. Smiley: lol It wasn't the primary focus of the episode, but it opened it up.
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#12 Feb 08 2008 at 12:33 PM Rating: Good
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I thought that sounded familiar...
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It was some thing where a girl got killed and taken out of her own apartment while her sister got raped by the boyfriend who had sexsomnia.

When we were watching the last UFC, I thought I saw the new SVU cop in the crowd, which might have been since he was an MMA enthusiast in the episode that guest starred Forrest Griffin.

I liked Angie Harmon the best too. I also liked the one chick that got murdered, Borgia? She was pretty hot. They did something to the new one, she looks less plastic this season.
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#14 Feb 08 2008 at 12:42 PM Rating: Good
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I've been watching a lot of the reruns on USA. I saw a really good one a couple of nights ago. A little girl called in on 911 and Olivia talked to her. The girl was trapped somewhere, but she didn't know where she was, so the whole episode was about tracking her down. They did a really good job making it dramatic. I was actually worried they wouldn't find the girl in time.

Oh, and <3 Ice T.
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I remember that one. They ended up finding an old file of her with a picture of her at a birthday party wearing her mom's jewelry right?
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#16 Feb 08 2008 at 2:40 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, she was able to describe the dress she had on and her mom's jewelry.
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her mom's jewelry.
Anti-Semite! Smiley: um
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I used to be able to see the opening to a L&O or SVU and know how it ended, but now there's so many I'm rusty. Smiley: frown
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Angie Harmon may be hot but her voice sounds like a dump-truck unloading two tons of gravel. Too many cigars and deepthroating sessions I'd imagine.

What I don't get about the sexsomnia thing is the condom.

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The trial judge acquitted Luedecke on the grounds the he could not have formed the intent to commit the assault,

No intent, eh? Does he keep one on at all times, just in case?
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Angie Harmon may be hot but her voice sounds like a dump-truck unloading two tons of gravel. Too many cigars and deepthroating sessions I'd imagine.

What I don't get about the sexsomnia thing is the condom.

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The trial judge acquitted Luedecke on the grounds the he could not have formed the intent to commit the assault,

No intent, eh? Does he keep one on at all times, just in case?

People who sleepwalk, or do things in their sleep, have a fault in their brain that means that the usual physical paralysis that prevents people from acting out what they do in their dreams doesn't kick in properly all the time.

Sleeping, someone might have an erotic dream about anyone historical, fictional, imaginary, or real, and in dream logic go through all sorts of personally realistic behaviour. Now imagine doing it with sleep paralysis off.

For myself, I can remember a very banal dream I had when I was a teenager. I woke up, went to the toilet, had a shower and washed all over, went to the clothes horse and chose some clean underpants and socks to wear for the day...and then I woke up. (At the time I was very annoyed. I had to do it all again!) My point is one can go through some very logical, step by step moves in dreams. And the law is not going to hold anyone accountable for anything done in a dream world, where your usual consciousness is so suppressed.

After seeing a few documentaries on sleepwalking and criminal cases, I'm prepared to believe that he truly didn't know what was going on in reality until he got woken up on top of her. I do however think that he badly didn't think things through in the long term, before this happened to him and his poor victim of his unconscious actions. Many habitual sleepwalkers use a long slender chain and a soft cuff to chain themselves to the bed, or some other system of sensors and lights/noise to wake themselves up if they move beyond the bed.

#21 Feb 08 2008 at 8:13 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't wanna think about this anymore. I have all kinds of dreams that after I wake up, I'm not sure if they were really dreams.
#22 Feb 08 2008 at 11:10 PM Rating: Good
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Kachi wrote:
I don't wanna think about this anymore. I have all kinds of dreams that after I wake up, I'm not sure if they were really dreams.
If you wake up in bed, they were probably dreams.
#23 Feb 09 2008 at 11:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Kachi wrote:
I don't wanna think about this anymore. I have all kinds of dreams that after I wake up, I'm not sure if they were really dreams.
If you wake up in bed, they were probably dreams.


Unless, of course, it's someone else's bed.
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