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#127 Feb 11 2008 at 3:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Sampley also runs Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain organization, which has been instrumental in exposing the fact that McCain's status as a war hero and the claim that he was tortured in Vietnam is a complete fabrication, as well as highlighting the fact that McCain poses as a veteran's advocate yet abandons them on every turnkey issue.



Lol. Well, he actually runs/ran the Vietnam Veterans against John Kerry organization, but that's kinda close, right? Some guy named John Kiley runs the one against John McCain.

That's not to say that Sampley doesn't have his issues with McCain, but to say it's the "same people" is a bit of a stretch.


I'm also unclear what this "proves" in anyone's minds. That these groups really are independent of the Republican election machine? Shocker!
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#128 Feb 11 2008 at 3:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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No, really. Look it up. Sampley's had a hard-on for McCain for 25 years or so.

Dating back to McCain supporting the idea of opening diplomatic relations with Vietnam as a way of clarifying the POW/MIA count, instead of making a blanket assumption that there were still POWs being held.

Sampley has allegedly made a lot of money flogging the POW horse.

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#129 Feb 11 2008 at 4:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm also unclear what this "proves" in anyone's minds.
Not everything (or even most things) I post have a point or an agenda as you suggest. As often as not, they're posted simply to say "Hey, ain't that a corker?"

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#130 Feb 11 2008 at 4:56 PM Rating: Good
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"...exposing the fact that McCain's status as a war hero and the claim that he was tortured in Vietnam is a complete fabrication..." --blogger

Lol, fact, huh? While Kerry's service in Vietnam may not have been heroic by Audie Murphy standards, McCain's stalwart courage in the face of brutal torture and refusal to dishonor himself and his comrades and country are a testament to the valor and gallantry of US servicemen in the finest tradition of honorable service to our nation.

I'd lay money this backfires on the Swiftboaters this time around.

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#131 Feb 11 2008 at 6:18 PM Rating: Good
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I'd lay money this backfires on the Swiftboaters this time around.
Why, because this time it's a righteous attack? I'm not a fan of the military and I'm all for freedom of expression, but it's shameful that anyone that has put their life on the line on the whim of the CoiC-du-jour should have to put up with people questioning their service and commitment outside a tribunal.
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#132 Feb 11 2008 at 6:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'd add that a discredited source is discredited, fully, no matter what their target. It's ridiculous to cheer them on when they go after Kerry and disregard them when they go after McCain.

Or vice versa, of course.
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#133 Feb 11 2008 at 7:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
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I'm also unclear what this "proves" in anyone's minds.
Not everything (or even most things) I post have a point or an agenda as you suggest. As often as not, they're posted simply to say "Hey, ain't that a corker?"


Sure. And I'm pointing out that "aint it a corker?" that the only thing this really shows us is that the swiftboat vets *weren't* some sort of Republican controlled entity as was wildly assumed during the 2004 election season.


Well, it also shows us that a small group of true crazies can hook up with an otherwise legitimate group of people and it neither disproves the issue that larger group cares about nor provides legitimacy to another issue that only the crazies care about...
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#134 Feb 11 2008 at 7:13 PM Rating: Good
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I'd add that a discredited source is discredited, fully, no matter what their target. It's ridiculous to cheer them on when they go after Kerry and disregard them when they go after McCain.

Or vice versa, of course.
And you posted this prescience before gbaji posted:

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Well, it also shows us that a small group of true crazies can hook up with an otherwise legitimate group of people and it neither disproves the issue that larger group cares about nor provides legitimacy to another issue that only the crazies care about...


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#135 Feb 11 2008 at 7:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sure, it's been a bit chilly lately. Bring on the bonfire.
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#136 Feb 11 2008 at 7:19 PM Rating: Good
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Sure, it's been a bit chilly lately. Bring on the bonfire.
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#137 Feb 11 2008 at 7:22 PM Rating: Default
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"I'm not a fan of the military..." --Flea

That explains a lot. Anybody who is not a "fan" of the military obviously has no idea what the military is all about, nor do they have a real appreciation for those vaunted freedoms of expression. After all, you couldn't be saying this openly except for those who have done what you are so clearly unwilling to do: serve their country in uniform.

Enjoy the taste of your **** sandwich, Flea. You certainly made yourself a juicy one.

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#138 Feb 11 2008 at 7:25 PM Rating: Good
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Nobby wrote:
Samira wrote:
I'd add that a discredited source is discredited, fully, no matter what their target. It's ridiculous to cheer them on when they go after Kerry and disregard them when they go after McCain.

Or vice versa, of course.
And you posted this prescience before gbaji posted:

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Well, it also shows us that a small group of true crazies can hook up with an otherwise legitimate group of people and it neither disproves the issue that larger group cares about nor provides legitimacy to another issue that only the crazies care about...



Lol. Yeah. I noticed that after I posted (was posting while working, so Samny posted while I was in the posting window I guess).


Heh. I'll still stick with my take on the issue. Obviously, any group attacking Kerry's record is going to be joined by every other group with a bone to pick with him regarding his military record actions, regardless of how ludicrous their own reasons may be. It's completely illogical to argue that if one of those sub-groups also attacks McCain that this is the same as the whole doing so, nor does it lend any legitimacy to either argument in either direction.


There are a lot of people who believe that airplanes can fly. While I'm sure that *some* of them believe that they fly because of pixie dust spread on the wings, proving them wrong does not prove that airplanes can't actually fly.
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http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/02/11/obama-s-pesky-muslim-problem.aspx

This places Obama's "Muslim problem" in a clearer light-- and refutes V's assertion.

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#140 Feb 11 2008 at 7:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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If Obama wins the Democratic nomination, he'll have plenty of time before Election Day to tell voters that he's been "a member of the same church, the same Christian church, for almost 20 years"--enough, I'm sure, to reach all but the most willful bigots (who probably wouldn't vote for him anyway).
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Take Vicki Hercsky, 47, a teacher from Boca Raton, Florida. "Obama, I don't even know how he got where he is," she told me after a Rudy Giuliani event late last month. "Why do you say that?" I asked. "He's Muslim," she replied, matter-of-factly. I stammered. "Well, um, his father was raised Muslim but was an agnostic by the time Barack was born," I said. "Obama is a Christian." Hercsky wasn't swayed. "Yeah, but he has it in his blood," she said. "You can't take away what's given to you. It's given to you for a reason, and that's who you are. That's who he is." I'm not sure what she meant by "it," or "who he is"--and I'm not sure I want to know.
Heh.. the author states that only hard bigots aren't going to be swayed by Obama's claims to Christianity and then says "But what if that's not the case?"

Then he attempts to prove that people besides bigots might not be convinced with a woman who essentially says "He has that evil Muslim gene in his blood. God put that taint there for a reason, you know!" Does she somehow not count as a willful bigot? Smiley: laugh
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#141 Feb 11 2008 at 8:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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That explains a lot. Anybody who is not a "fan" of the military obviously has no idea what the military is all about, nor do they have a real appreciation for those vaunted freedoms of expression. After all, you couldn't be saying this openly except for those who have done what you are so clearly unwilling to do: serve their country in uniform.
I'm not a fan of the institution, you obtuse ****. I would not join, nor could I encourage anyone else to. This doesn't mean in any sense, nor should it imply to anyone other than a complete ******, self righteous morons, or, by default, you, that I don't respect and admire anyone that chooses it as a profession. It's not the first time I've stated my view on the subject. To imply that as a citizen of a country trying to overcome terrorism back when you were still trying to pick precisely the right shade of pink polo that I don't know the weight of curtailed freedom shows how little you understand respect despite disagreement, and why you would espouse this kind of rhetoric.
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#142 Feb 11 2008 at 8:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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So you do respect and admire me. Why didn't you say so before? Playing coy, you little minx? After all, I made the military my profession for two decades.

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#143 Feb 12 2008 at 6:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sure, it's been a bit chilly lately. Bring on the bonfire.
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Wouldn't that be an incubus? Or are you Brits just that emasculated?
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#144 Feb 12 2008 at 8:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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Samira wrote:
Nobby wrote:
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Sure, it's been a bit chilly lately. Bring on the bonfire.
If you need a succubus, pm me Smiley: sly


Wouldn't that be an incubus? Or are you Brits just that emasculated?
Bewbs, silly witch
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#145 Feb 12 2008 at 9:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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Bewbs


I has them.

Succubus = not needed.
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#146 Feb 12 2008 at 8:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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So you do respect and admire me.
Not you so much as the idea of you. Smiley: lol
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After McCain started pulling ahead in the polls Matt Blunt Gov of Missouri decided not to run for re-election. I don't know about the rest of the country but some of us think there may be something there. Usually a Gov would not do this unless he thought he had a better deal in the works.
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#148 Feb 12 2008 at 9:35 PM Rating: Decent
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McCain/Rice would counter a lot of the waves. Do you think Rice would make a good VP though?
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McCain/Rice would counter a lot of the waves. Do you think Rice would make a good VP though?


Your retarded.
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#150 Feb 13 2008 at 1:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Chill out I was just messing around, take the rusty fork out of your pants. If things keep going this way though huckabee might open up the possibility for a bid, though the conservative side does not seem to like him much better.

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#151 Feb 13 2008 at 3:19 AM Rating: Good
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There is no way that he choses Huckabee. Thompson offers the same, and in a general election would fare better.

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