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Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Obama's website has a great section that refutes many of these claims, from highly credible sources. However, if that's too "biased" for you, being on his own web page, knock yourself out visiting the sources themselves, as they are conveniently hot-linked for your reading pleasure.
Also, in response to the question "Why he converted so late in life?", I say to you, what does it matter? People "find" religion along all stages of life, and also lose religion. Evidence points to Obama being non-religious until the time that he officially became Christian in his 20's, which isn't terribly late, by the way.My point is, why is it even an issue of "when" he converted- does it make his claim to being a Christian somehow less valid? You say that you're "asking questions", but you're asking irrelevant questions and simply grasping at straws to try to build a case- and it's failing. His religion, or lack thereof, is a non-issue for reasons I already spelled out for you.
And look, my wart just adds to my eccentric charm; and as for smelling bad well...it's not that time of the month for my shower yet.
Edited, Feb 8th 2008 5:55pm by Alixana
Also, in response to the question "Why he converted so late in life?", I say to you, what does it matter? People "find" religion along all stages of life, and also lose religion. Evidence points to Obama being non-religious until the time that he officially became Christian in his 20's, which isn't terribly late, by the way.My point is, why is it even an issue of "when" he converted- does it make his claim to being a Christian somehow less valid? You say that you're "asking questions", but you're asking irrelevant questions and simply grasping at straws to try to build a case- and it's failing. His religion, or lack thereof, is a non-issue for reasons I already spelled out for you.
And look, my wart just adds to my eccentric charm; and as for smelling bad well...it's not that time of the month for my shower yet.
Edited, Feb 8th 2008 5:55pm by Alixana
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Queen Alix,
I'm so turned on right now.
Under normal circumstances one doesn't ask the question. However, the fact is that this is a presidential race where one of the candidates has a muslim name, is the son of a radical muslim, and only recently converted to Christianity.
I'm so turned on right now.
Under normal circumstances one doesn't ask the question. However, the fact is that this is a presidential race where one of the candidates has a muslim name, is the son of a radical muslim, and only recently converted to Christianity.
southernfried wrote:
is the son of a radical muslim
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and only recently converted to Christianity.
Also, you're wrong
Edited, Feb 8th 2008 3:50pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Obama converted in 1985- so over 20 years ago is "recent"? He's been a Christian just about as long as I've been alive, so I wouldn't classify it as recent. Oh well, I'm heading out of town now and this arguing is old. I suggest you go outside and shoot some hogs or something.
For the record, he was baptised 23 years ago. Prior to that, he enjoyed the same quasi-Deism most folks have -- faith that there's "something" and being good is a good thing to be but not worried about the nuts & bolts of it. Varrus is trying to make the implication that, prior to his baptism, Obama was Muslim. Not true.
I personally wouldn't care much if it was true but it's not so there's no cause to say otherwise.
I personally wouldn't care much if it was true but it's not so there's no cause to say otherwise.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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What brought on Barrack Hussein Obama's sudden conversion to Christianity so late in life? Who does the AMA (american muslim association) endorse?
If you just read the article on snopes, it says that he converted to Christianity in the mid 80's, many years before he became involved in politics at all. I'm sure there are more valid resources that provide this information, but really your issues with snopes' credibility is moot until you can provide some sort of semi-viable source for your assertion that it's untrue.
I'm sure your chainmail propaganda ******** will stand up to the test.
Even if his Christianity were somehow a facade, I'd be far more inclined to believe that he was agnostic/atheist, or at "worst" a more conventional kind of Muslim, and I'd really be perfectly fine with that.
And supposing, by some strange twist of fate, the ******** propaganda about his father happened to be true, since when do we get so desperately fearful about a candidate that we start poking into his father's religion? Because that's such a good indicator of their presidential motives.
Anyone done a little digging on McCain's daddy? Hillary's?
Nevermind, I'm sure Obama will become president and then the sky will fall.
I would like to preemptively congratulate you on breaking the landspeed record for subdefault though.
And supposing, by some strange twist of fate, the ******** propaganda about his father happened to be true, since when do we get so desperately fearful about a candidate that we start poking into his father's religion? Because that's such a good indicator of their presidential motives.
Anyone done a little digging on McCain's daddy? Hillary's?
Nevermind, I'm sure Obama will become president and then the sky will fall.
I would like to preemptively congratulate you on breaking the landspeed record for subdefault though.
but really your issues with snopes' credibility is moot until you can provide some sort of semi-viable source for your assertion that it's untrue.
Really? He can't question the credibility of a for profit site notorious for hosting malware ads and run by a Disney obsessed married couple without providing an alternate source?
Fascinating.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
Not if he's got no sources of his own, I think not.
Edit: To clarify, perhaps if he had one single decent source, I could be bothered to come up with a more valid one. I just grabbed something off a google search. I'm not pretending that the source is entirely reputable.
Edited, Feb 8th 2008 4:16pm by Kachi
Edit: To clarify, perhaps if he had one single decent source, I could be bothered to come up with a more valid one. I just grabbed something off a google search. I'm not pretending that the source is entirely reputable.
Edited, Feb 8th 2008 4:16pm by Kachi
I think the real issue is that Obama's name, ethnicity, and religion should be the least significant factors when assessing him as a potential candidate. Mentioning those things, in either direction, only shows the degree to which those things matter to you.
Now, if someone can show records indicating a candidates support for some radical group or other, that would be a different story. But to make implied arguments that because of someone's religion (or possible religion) that they must be associated with the worst members/aspects of that same religion is kinda silly. I'm not going to associate Obama with Farakhan unless there's some actual connection beyond a similar skin tone. And I'm not going to associate Obama with CAIR (for example) without some connection beyond the fact that Obama's father was a Muslim.
To do something like that only shows the bigotry in the person making the claim, not the candidate...
Now, if someone can show records indicating a candidates support for some radical group or other, that would be a different story. But to make implied arguments that because of someone's religion (or possible religion) that they must be associated with the worst members/aspects of that same religion is kinda silly. I'm not going to associate Obama with Farakhan unless there's some actual connection beyond a similar skin tone. And I'm not going to associate Obama with CAIR (for example) without some connection beyond the fact that Obama's father was a Muslim.
To do something like that only shows the bigotry in the person making the claim, not the candidate...
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Virus, that gbaji and I agree should tell you just how fucking stupid you really are.
"Southernfried is a rightwing wackjob..." --Annabelle
As opposed to being a leftwing wackjob like yourself? To even raise the possiblity-- however unlikely --that Cheney would be on MCCain's ticket smacks of Chicken Littleism where libs like yourself begin to discuss your worst fears among yourselves in order to work up the requisite emotion needed to bring on a nice crying jag bemoaning the sorry state the US is in due to those evil Republican's nefarious efforts to kill off baby seals, the ozone layer, and newborn kittens. National Enquirer much, Annie?
You need not whisper Cheney's name quietly lest he suddenly appear at your side, nor are euphemisms necessary because of misplaced terror that using his True Name somehow increases his diabolical power here on this temporal plane.
/laughs
You're slaying me here. Was it too much of a stretch that McCain wasn't able to summon Richard Nixon from the dead to fill the lower half of the ticket?
Totem
As opposed to being a leftwing wackjob like yourself? To even raise the possiblity-- however unlikely --that Cheney would be on MCCain's ticket smacks of Chicken Littleism where libs like yourself begin to discuss your worst fears among yourselves in order to work up the requisite emotion needed to bring on a nice crying jag bemoaning the sorry state the US is in due to those evil Republican's nefarious efforts to kill off baby seals, the ozone layer, and newborn kittens. National Enquirer much, Annie?
You need not whisper Cheney's name quietly lest he suddenly appear at your side, nor are euphemisms necessary because of misplaced terror that using his True Name somehow increases his diabolical power here on this temporal plane.
/laughs
You're slaying me here. Was it too much of a stretch that McCain wasn't able to summon Richard Nixon from the dead to fill the lower half of the ticket?
Totem
Totem wrote:
You're slaying me here. Was it too much of a stretch that McCain wasn't able to summon Richard Nixon from the dead to fill the lower half of the ticket?
"Mrrrrrgh! Middle classsssss tax cutssssss. Grrrraaarrrrrr! Tearrrrr down thaaaat waaaaaaallllll! <sibilant hiss> There youuuu go againnnnn. Brainssssss! I want brainssssssss!"
/Ronnie lurches off to feed on the Hellbeast
"Arrrrrrgh! Nothhhhhhing nutritioussssss here! <growl> Mrrrrurgle!"
Totem
/Ronnie lurches off to feed on the Hellbeast
"Arrrrrrgh! Nothhhhhhing nutritioussssss here! <growl> Mrrrrurgle!"
Totem
Totem wrote:
Brainssssss! I want brainssssssss!"
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Totem wrote:
"Southernfried is a rightwing wackjob..." --Annabelle
As opposed to being a leftwing wackjob like yourself? To even raise the possiblity-- however unlikely --that Cheney would be on MCCain's ticket smacks of Chicken Littleism where libs like yourself begin to discuss your worst fears among yourselves in order to work up the requisite emotion needed to bring on a nice crying jag bemoaning the sorry state the US is in due to those evil Republican's nefarious efforts to kill off baby seals, the ozone layer, and newborn kittens. National Enquirer much, Annie?
As opposed to being a leftwing wackjob like yourself? To even raise the possiblity-- however unlikely --that Cheney would be on MCCain's ticket smacks of Chicken Littleism where libs like yourself begin to discuss your worst fears among yourselves in order to work up the requisite emotion needed to bring on a nice crying jag bemoaning the sorry state the US is in due to those evil Republican's nefarious efforts to kill off baby seals, the ozone layer, and newborn kittens. National Enquirer much, Annie?
I didn't realize that you hated Cheney so much and realized that Bush had such a failed presidency that it would be a ridiculous scare tactic to suggest that we continue with any kind of leadership from this current administration. I totally agree. But I think we should switch parties too.
Oh and by the by, they are also suggesting Tom Ridge.
Edited, Feb 9th 2008 12:43am by Annabella
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
Michael Brown would be a good choice.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
It's a moot point now. According to FOX News, McCain done went and joined the enemy! 
Edited, Feb 9th 2008 4:22pm by Jophiel
Edited, Feb 9th 2008 4:22pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
Wow, it usually takes a gay sex scandal for Fox to relabel someone as a democrat.
Edited, Feb 9th 2008 10:27pm by Annabella
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
I personally think he will pick Thompson. Solid conservative and southern to boot.
I actually like Joe Lieberman for the most part. If he chose him I would not freak out.
I actually like Joe Lieberman for the most part. If he chose him I would not freak out.
I voted for the other guy.
Lieberman went on record as saying he wouldn't run as his Veep. I'm pretty sure he's uninterested in the job all together.
Besides, if McCain is going for the Whitey vote, he can't afford a Jew when he's up against a skirt and a negro.
Besides, if McCain is going for the Whitey vote, he can't afford a Jew when he's up against a skirt and a negro.
Swiftboaters! To stations! Go! GO! GO!
Crazy-*** blog wrote:
Remnants of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth group that contributed to torpedoing John Kerry's presidential ambitions in 2004 are set to derail John McCain's hopes of becoming the Republican nominee by forcing the GOP to jettison the Senator and instigating a revolution within the party to return it to its conservative roots.
It was McCain himself that leapt to Kerry's defense during the Swift Boat controversy four years ago and now the individuals that started the offensive against Kerry are set to turn on McCain.
[...]
Sampley also runs Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain organization, which has been instrumental in exposing the fact that McCain's status as a war hero and the claim that he was tortured in Vietnam is a complete fabrication, as well as highlighting the fact that McCain poses as a veteran's advocate yet abandons them on every turnkey issue.
It was McCain himself that leapt to Kerry's defense during the Swift Boat controversy four years ago and now the individuals that started the offensive against Kerry are set to turn on McCain.
[...]
Sampley also runs Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain organization, which has been instrumental in exposing the fact that McCain's status as a war hero and the claim that he was tortured in Vietnam is a complete fabrication, as well as highlighting the fact that McCain poses as a veteran's advocate yet abandons them on every turnkey issue.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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Sampley also runs Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain organization, which has been instrumental in exposing the fact that McCain's status as a war hero and the claim that he was tortured in Vietnam is a complete fabrication,
Well, well, well. Nice to see some things don't change.
How DID he lose that arm, then? Careless *******.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
It's awesome how these patriotic Vietnam veterans are hellbent on discrediting other veterans on spurious grounds in order to have people who completely avoided duty because of family connections in the white house. Apparently, McCain wasn't tortured enough.
I'm all for McCain losing the presidential race, but I'd like to see him lose it on the actual issues, not this bullsh*t.
It's a reminder of what happened to McCain in 2000.
Edited, Feb 11th 2008 2:08pm by Annabella
I'm all for McCain losing the presidential race, but I'd like to see him lose it on the actual issues, not this bullsh*t.
It's a reminder of what happened to McCain in 2000.
Edited, Feb 11th 2008 2:08pm by Annabella
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
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