southernfried wrote:
Remind me what makes Mcain a Republican again.
Alixana wrote:
I take it this is his normal pattern of behavior
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The Illinois primary ballot with his name on it said "Republican" on the top.
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Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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CommieRed,
I see you're still blaming your pathetic existence on those evil gop capitalists. I suppose as long as you feel comfortable attacking others it overshadows your sad state.
I see you're still blaming your pathetic existence on those evil gop capitalists. I suppose as long as you feel comfortable attacking others it overshadows your sad state.
It'll be hard to tell about McCain. Either he will speak to the voters disenchanted with the republican party as it is now and find an outsider, probably a southern governor without any national experience or he'll want to appease the current administrators and guard of the republican party. My guess it will be the latter and he'll find someone affiliated with Bush. McCain has always gone back and forth between criticizing Bush and trying to ingratiate himself with them when he thinks he needs to fall along party lines. It's interesting that there has been talk of Cheney being his VP, which would be scary.
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
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When did saying a presidential candidates full name become a sign of racism?
You may not like the reality that Obama's natural father was a radical muslim, but again that doesn't change the facts.
Tell me when Obama converted to Christianity again? It's on his website.
Uncomfortable questions for those who actually believe Obama has strong islamic roots. Let's just accuse anyone who mentions his full name of being a racist, that's much easier.
Ironic I should be accused of being a racist when Obama openly uses his skin colour to garner support.
Next you can accuse me of being a male schovanist because I think any woman who constantly allows her husband to cheat on her is either a weak willed person or merely enduring the marriage on political grounds.
You may not like the reality that Obama's natural father was a radical muslim, but again that doesn't change the facts.
Tell me when Obama converted to Christianity again? It's on his website.
Uncomfortable questions for those who actually believe Obama has strong islamic roots. Let's just accuse anyone who mentions his full name of being a racist, that's much easier.
Ironic I should be accused of being a racist when Obama openly uses his skin colour to garner support.
Next you can accuse me of being a male schovanist because I think any woman who constantly allows her husband to cheat on her is either a weak willed person or merely enduring the marriage on political grounds.
The Honorable Annabella wrote:
Either he will speak to the voters disenchanted with the republican party as it is now and find an outsider, probably a southern governor without any national experience
With that in mind, I'll note that Former Illinois Republican Governor George Ryan has a lot of time on his hands these days. Are you allowed to run for office from prison?
Edited, Feb 8th 2008 11:23am by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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You may not like the reality that Obama's natural father was a radical muslim, but again that doesn't change the facts.
Well, at least Snopes seems to disagree.
southernfried wrote:
schovanist
O_o
Kachi wrote:
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You may not like the reality that Obama's natural father was a radical muslim, but again that doesn't change the facts.
Well, at least Snopes seems to disagree.
I don't take a lot of stock in snopes as a source for info, while they may be correct in this case, they have been wrong on others, like this one -Snopes.
Queen Alixana wrote:
southernfried wrote:
schovanist
O_o
What are you? Some sort of intellecshual elitist who expects everyone to conform to your methods of spelling?
Anyway, I like Colin Powell as McCain's VP. Doesn't mean it's remotely likely, but I think it would be fun.
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I don't take a lot of stock in snopes as a source for info, while they may be correct in this case, they have been wrong on others, like this one
The urban legend as presented, woman gets a guy drunk at hotel, he awakens in an ice-filled tub sans kidney, is false. Just like "Obama is a dirty Muslim" is false.
Edited, Feb 8th 2008 11:48am by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
fhrugby the Wise wrote:
I don't take a lot of stock in snopes as a source for info, while they may be correct in this case, they have been wrong on others, like this one -Snopes.
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An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Well, the particular articles in question here are apples to oranges.
One is an urban legend, and an attempt to prove a negative, something which can't be done (can't prove that God doesn't exist, can't prove that people aren't out there stealing kidneys).
The other is a matter of a person's upbringing, and depends on researching positive facts. They may have been misguided in saying something wasn't happening when in fact they couldn't know for sure, but I doubt they are fabricating information about Obama's background while simultaneously overlooking proof positive that the statements are true.
And the sources that claim otherwise are far less reputable than snopes at least.
One is an urban legend, and an attempt to prove a negative, something which can't be done (can't prove that God doesn't exist, can't prove that people aren't out there stealing kidneys).
The other is a matter of a person's upbringing, and depends on researching positive facts. They may have been misguided in saying something wasn't happening when in fact they couldn't know for sure, but I doubt they are fabricating information about Obama's background while simultaneously overlooking proof positive that the statements are true.
And the sources that claim otherwise are far less reputable than snopes at least.
Southernfried is a rightwing wackjob with poor spelling and a tenuous grasp on the issues. I'm not sure you guys have to prove your point against him at all.
And maybe, Jophiel. It's such a dilemma because I think people can't underestimate the republican establishment. On the other hand, there are always relatively obscure team players that they can pass off as outsiders, like they tried to do on some level with Dubya and his Texasness. If they can sell him as a regular guy, they can do anything.
Edited, Feb 8th 2008 12:59pm by Annabella
And maybe, Jophiel. It's such a dilemma because I think people can't underestimate the republican establishment. On the other hand, there are always relatively obscure team players that they can pass off as outsiders, like they tried to do on some level with Dubya and his Texasness. If they can sell him as a regular guy, they can do anything.
Edited, Feb 8th 2008 12:59pm by Annabella
Turin wrote:
Seriously, what the f*ck nature?
southernfried wrote:
CommieRed,
I see you're still blaming your pathetic existence on those evil gop capitalists. I suppose as long as you feel comfortable attacking others it overshadows your sad state.
I see you're still blaming your pathetic existence on those evil gop capitalists. I suppose as long as you feel comfortable attacking others it overshadows your sad state.
Well, that's the last time I write a song for you, Mr Frowny Pants!
Jophiel wrote:
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I don't take a lot of stock in snopes as a source for info, while they may be correct in this case, they have been wrong on others, like this one
The urban legend as presented, woman gets a guy drunk at hotel, he awakens in an ice-filled tub sans kidney, is false. Just like "Obama is a dirty Muslim" is false.
Edited, Feb 8th 2008 11:48am by Jophiel
A search on snopes for kidney theft ring comes up with just this one example and they state it as false, which is where they are misleading. The fact that there has been a kidney theft ring operating in India for nearly 10 years should be the top item under this rumor, not buried on the bottom, and they should list it as partially true not false because of this ring. The difference from the cited email is only the victim's location changing from hotel to a clinic and the use of alcohol changing to a sedative. The victims were still conned into a situation where they were rendered unconscious against their will and awoke to find a Kidney gone.
The basic problem I have is they imply the rumor is 100% false and you have to search down at bottom to discover that it is only 10% false.
Edited, Feb 8th 2008 1:03pm by fhrugby
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Did someone actually cite snopes as a valid source for something?
I think you're missing the point.
Where's YOUR valid source for this "fact" that Obama's father was a radical Muslim?
Where's YOUR valid source for this "fact" that Obama's father was a radical Muslim?
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Southernfried is a rightwing wackjob with poor spelling and a tenuous grasp on the issues. I'm not sure you guys have to prove your point against him at all.
It's for his benefit, and no one else's, believe me.
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Kachi,
Have you ever heard the phrase guilt by association? Or we could look at american muslim organizations and see who they support. But I'm going with "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree".
Have you ever heard the phrase guilt by association? Or we could look at american muslim organizations and see who they support. But I'm going with "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree".
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Anna,
If you'd like to flirt with me there are far more effective ways.
p.s. Liberal playbook 101...discredit the source and you don't have to answer the question.
Edited, Feb 8th 2008 1:36pm by southernfried
If you'd like to flirt with me there are far more effective ways.
p.s. Liberal playbook 101...discredit the source and you don't have to answer the question.
Edited, Feb 8th 2008 1:36pm by southernfried
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Have you ever heard the phrase guilt by association? Or we could look at american muslim organizations and see who they support. But I'm going with "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree".
So, in other words, you don't have any valid sources.
southernfried wrote:
discredit the source
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
southernfried wrote:
discredit the source
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An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
Uglysasquatch the Great wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
southernfried wrote:
discredit the source
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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