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#27 Feb 07 2008 at 5:14 PM Rating: Good
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While in the primary McCain has to court the Conservative vote, in this general election they will come out in droves just to vote against Hillary if she is the front runner. If Obama is the front runner, I am not as sure what the far right voters will do, Obama is likable enough for some of them to stay home.


Except that with the exception of the far right pundits, conservatives generally don't vote based on who they "hate". They vote based on whos politics they agree with most (or who hasn't annoyed them too much in some cases). Same with moderates (to an even greater degree I'd argue).

I really do think that conservatives as a whole will want to oppose Obama more then Clinton. Because Clinton is a known quantity. They know she's not going to go too far "out there". Presumably no more then her husband and we survived that somewhat intact. Obama may be wildly popular with the "young and dumb" crowd, but to conservatives that's a negative. A big one...
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#28 Feb 07 2008 at 7:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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I hear Karl Rove isn't doing anything these days. It's about time the whitehouse had a truly evil VP back in the seat. The legend of Agnew is getting long in the tooth.
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What a weird @#%^ing day. Mindel dings 14000 defending Usagi and Flea dings 16000 arguing with me about politics. I expect that Smash will ding breaking up with me next and then Joph will ding whilst proposing to Kao.

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#30 Feb 07 2008 at 8:03 PM Rating: Decent
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#31 Feb 07 2008 at 10:39 PM Rating: Good
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I have to laugh-- you guys are talking as if McCain is a moderate Republican or even slightly left of center. He has earned a lifetime average score of 85% based his conservative voting record, according to conservative watchdog groups. He has only gotten a misguided liberal image from his pragmatic and ideological beliefs in the proper role of government.

This is not to say he won't deal with the Left. He absolutely will, especially in order to serve the common good of the US citizen. This is reflected in the various bills he has co-sponsored in the Senate regarding campaign finance reform, among others.

The label of maverick was placed on him by Right wing Republicans as a way to try bring him to heel, who themselves were unwilling to negotiate with Senate members across the aisle. Obviously, they did not succeed. McCain has won the admiration from both parties for his authenticity and integrity.

But you are very mistaken if you think he is a Centrist or moderate Republican.

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#32 Feb 07 2008 at 10:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Totem wrote:
I have to laugh-- you guys are talking as if McCain is a moderate Republican or even slightly left of center. He has earned a lifetime average score of 85% based his conservative voting record, according to conservative watchdog groups. He has only gotten a misguided liberal image from his pragmatic and ideological beliefs in the proper role of government.

This is not to say he won't deal with the Left. He absolutely will, especially in order to serve the common good of the US citizen. This is reflected in the various bills he has co-sponsored in the Senate regarding campaign finance reform, among others.

The label of maverick was placed on him by Right wing Republicans as a way to try bring him to heel, who themselves were unwilling to negotiate with Senate members across the aisle. Obviously, they did not succeed. McCain has won the admiration from both parties for his authenticity and integrity.

But you are very mistaken if you think he is a Centrist or moderate Republican.

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Which means you'd pair him with... ?
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#33 Feb 07 2008 at 10:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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I have to disagree with you here, gabji. Obama stands a chance of being elected because he is an unknown quantity and does not represent an overt threat. Clinton, on the other hand, will bring out Republicans in droves because of the previous Clinton administration and the hate those two invoke.

While, the Right may not vote heavily because of Obama, they definitely will go to the polls to oppose the Hellbeast. She is the very portrayal of Satan with a Maxipad.

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#34 Feb 07 2008 at 10:53 PM Rating: Good
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I dunno, Demea. Certainly not Romney, but Huckabee doesn't necessarily bring anything to the table either. Yeah, Huck has cachet with evangelicals, but that crowd is going to go Republican anyways-- and as I said, once they look at McCain more closely, they'll see he isn't the Lefty he has been portrayed as in the past.

In fact, I'd say that the Dems will play that card exactly like I described it, because they hope to win moderates/centrists/independents and they can't afford to give those to McCain by labeling him so. That means they'll try and paint him (rightly so) as a conservative, which will only reinforce that view by the evangelicals as they examine him closer.

As for who he chooses, who ever votes for a candidate based on his VP selection? Barring some crazy choice like Louis Farrakhan or David Duke, it'll be a non-factor I believe. Hold a gun to my head and I'd say it'd be someone safe, but if he were to color a wee bit outside the lines, I'd say possibly Lieberman, just to steal the Dem's thunder (This assumes he could convince Joe to switch parties).

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I'm seriously considering a vote for McCain. I think it would be interesting if he choose a Dem running mate. Surely, most pubbies wouldn't throw their weight behind Obama or Hillary if it did happen.

I'm more interested in knowing their possible cabinet selections.

McCain/Feingold '08? Smiley: lol

Edited, Feb 8th 2008 1:56am by Paskil
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I think it would be interesting if he choose a Dem running mate.
It would be interesting in that it would mean that aliens took control of McCain's body.
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#37 Feb 07 2008 at 10:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Come on, you believe he's the "Big, bad conservative" he's making himself out to be?

Edit: God, being tired makes me sound like a valley girl. Smiley: oyvey

Edited, Feb 8th 2008 1:59am by Paskil
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Paskil wrote:
I think it would be interesting if he choose a Dem running mate.
It would be interesting in that it would mean that aliens took control of McCain's body.

As opposed to his massive jaw? Smiley: laugh
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#39 Feb 07 2008 at 11:00 PM Rating: Good
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I think it's illegal for a candidate to have a Veep from another party. I seem to recall it happened sometime in the past and caused all sort sof problems, so thye made a rule afgainst it. That's why I added the caveat that Joe would have to switch parties.

I don't remember. It's been too long since my Civics class and old age dementia is setting in.

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Lieberman's recently gone on the record saying that he has no interest in being anyone's running mate again.
A Feb 5th Associated Press Story wrote:
WASHINGTON — Sen. Joe Lieberman, an independent who nearly won the vice presidency as a Democrat in 2000, says there's no way he'll be Republican Sen. John McCain's running mate should McCain become the party's presidential nominee.

"No, I'd tell him, 'Thanks, John, I've been there, I've done that. You can find much better,"' Lieberman told The Associated Press during an interview in his Senate office. "I'm not seeking anything else."

The Connecticut senator said he was unequivocally ruling out sharing the GOP ticket with McCain.
I doubt Lieberman would flip parties either. He's largely liberal aside from his hawkish war stance and, unless hes retarded, he realizes that next year we'll probably have another 4-6 Democratic senators and flipping parties would just make him the new guy in the minority party.
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#41 Feb 07 2008 at 11:06 PM Rating: Good
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Big bad conservative? No, I don't think he views himself that way, but across the board McCain is not what you'd call moderate-- which is perfectly fine in my eyes. He's a solid performer in Congress, has genuine integrity, is authentic, plays well with others (something the American people seem to want if you can believe the polls and talk on the street), and sticks to his guns.

Like I said, he got labeled by the Right-right wing in an effort to keep him in line back when the Republicans held all the rein to power. That, I would think, would make him attractive to honest-to-goodness moderates and socially and financially conservative Democrats-- the very people he wants to reach out to.

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I think it's illegal for a candidate to have a Veep from another party.
I don't think so. They used to have it set up so the 2nd place candidate was the VP to the winning candidate which worked about as well as you'd expect. By the early 19th century, they dumped that idea.
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#43 Feb 08 2008 at 12:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Totem wrote:
I think it's illegal for a candidate to have a Veep from another party.
I don't think so. They used to have it set up so the 2nd place candidate was the VP to the winning candidate which worked about as well as you'd expect. By the early 19th century, they dumped that idea.
And it's still entirely possible that who we get for VP isn't who the Prez picked out as his running mate, should we get a huge crop of people in the electoral college who think they know who should be VP better.

If that were to happen, though, you'd hear a lot of calls of conspiracy involving the Jews, the Muslims, the Freemasons, and/or any number of other groups, religious or not.
#44 Feb 08 2008 at 8:19 AM Rating: Default
I find it amusing that democrats, and the media that support them, have already appointed Mcain the nominee. I'm not surprised the media is ignoring the reality that the states Mcain won tend to go Democrat in the general election, florida being a recent exception. Essentially you have the Dems and media pushing a candidate they feel confidant against. These same people know that Huckabee, with all his flaws, stands a greater chance at defeating either Hillary Clinton or Barrack Husseion Obama.

As long as the established media and liberal political pundits continue to support Mcain he will continue to loose the support of the gop base.



#45 Feb 08 2008 at 8:23 AM Rating: Default
Jophiel,

Quite opitimistic of you to assume the Dems are going to gain so much. Then again Democrats tend to focus on what they would like to happen rather than what is going to happen.

Remind me again what the Dems have done to earn these 4-6 seats?

What has this Dem senate accomplished?

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#47 Feb 08 2008 at 8:31 AM Rating: Good
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#48 Feb 08 2008 at 8:43 AM Rating: Good
He might be a racist,
And sometimes a fascist,
He could use a therapist,
Or we could just chuck him down the piste...

Oh Varrus,
You silly ****,
Welcome back,
Still high on crack?

He's got an okra field in his office,
And his armpits smell like ****,
And if ignorance is bliss,
Then his heart must be at peace.

Oh Varrus,
You silly ****,
Welcome back,
Still high on crack?

An insurance salesman,
Who plays B-ball like a German,
Won't you emigrate to Japan,
And start a new branch of the Ku-Klux Klan?!

Oh Varrus,
You silly ****,
Welcome back,
Still high on crack?



Edited, Feb 8th 2008 4:43pm by RedPhoenixxx
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#49 Feb 08 2008 at 8:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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Agreed Totes. There was an article just the other day by some political analyst (don't recall the name, black dude, I've read some stuff from him before) about how the whole thing about McCain not being conservative enough is BS. His track record proves his conservative voting, he just ticks some people off due to his willingness to work with the Dems to get things done.

As for who his running mate will be, I doubt it'll be anyone who has been trying for the nomination. He's even said himself he'd likely pick a governor like the one from Texas. Don't recall his name, and he just used that as an example. He might possibly shake things up by selecting a female or maybe even some ethnic person, just to show that the Pubbies can get with the times too.
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#50REDACTED, Posted: Feb 08 2008 at 8:55 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) What is Mcains stance on the borders again? How about tax cuts? How about abortion? free-market (as opposed to govn controlled)?
#51 Feb 08 2008 at 8:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Barrack Husseion Obama.


Ignorance at its finest. Any name starting in "O" and ending with "A" and sounding even slightly Arabic equals crazed Muslim terrorist, amirite? It's a conspiracy amongst we liberals to elect this guy because we secretly hope he will take us down to the path of the Taliban. I know it's his middle name but it seems like you threw that in there to make your point.

This guy seems like a troll, and from the responses, someone who's known (Varrus). Forgive me if I don't, new and all that. I take it this is his normal pattern of behavior?

By the way, if you care to browse the other thread or any site with McCain's track record on the internet, you will see that he has voted quite conservatively. :) He may not be as socially conservative as Huckabee, but Huckabee is also fairly fiscally liberal- is that what you want?

Edited, Feb 8th 2008 12:03pm by Alixana
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