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#1 Feb 03 2008 at 3:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Enemy action. So what should we make of the 4th time?

These cables are not indestructable, but they are fairly tough. Heavy rubber coatings, kevlar reinfoced weave, core steel cable for tension and strength, If it's a fiber optic cable it was put in in the last 15 years, and it was designed to at least have a chance of resisting most damage that your average ocean is going to throw at it. While a direct hit by a supertanker anchor would sever one, the cables themselves are maybe 2 feet wide, and its a big damned ocean. I could see one, maybe 2 accidents in a month under worst case scenarios, but 4 in the same general area?

Shipping charts clearly mark where these cables are, so idiots won't accidentally anchor on top of one. This just smells of something deliberate to me, and if so, whoever is doing it is setting a really bad precedent.

http://malaysia.news.yahoo.com/afp/20080202/tbs-india-mideast-internet-558302b.html

Another undersea Internet cable damaged in Mideast: Indian firm

NEW DELHI (AFP) - - Another Middle East undersea Internet cable has been damaged, adding to disruption in Indian online services caused when several lines were cut earlier this week, a cable operating firm said Saturday.

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The Falcon cable was cut 56 kilometres (35 miles) from Dubai, between Oman and the United Arab Emirates, according to its owner FLAG Telecom, part of India's Reliance Communications.

The company said on its website that a repair ship had been notified and was expected to arrive at the site in the next few days.

The cause of the latest cable damage was not immediately known.

Flag Telecom owns another undersea cable which was damaged off Egypt on Wednesday in the Mediterranean. Indian media reports have attributed that damage to a ship's anchor which dropped on the cable.

On the same day in Kuwait, the government reported two cables damaged by "weather conditions and maritime traffic."

The cable damage has left India's vital outsourcing industry grappling with major communications disruptions and businesses saying they could take up to two weeks to return to normal.

It has also disrupted Internet service across the Middle East and other parts of South Asia.

A repair ship was expected to arrive by next Tuesday to restore the FLAG Telecom cable that was damaged off Egypt, the company said.

Smaller Indian firms will be harder hit as they depend on a single service provider, said R.S Perhar, secretary of the Internet Service Providers' Association of India (ISPAI).

"But traffic has already started moving after being re-routed," Perhar said.

Around 90 percent of the services were expected to be restored by Sunday, the ISPAI said.

India's 11-billion-dollar outsourcing industry is made up of 1,250 firms that deliver services ranging from answering customer queries to processing credit card and mortgage applications.

The industry employs 700,000 people, serving clients mainly in the United States and Europe that sought to cut costs by farming out work to the country.

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#2 Feb 03 2008 at 4:39 PM Rating: Excellent
I think this was an organised strike against Indian telemarketers.
#3 Feb 03 2008 at 5:03 PM Rating: Good
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Out-of-work western helpdesk workers trying to get their jobs back?
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#4 Feb 03 2008 at 7:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Weird.

It's statistically possible. But I guess it does look a bit fishy. And yet who would really gain by it? How much effort and money would go into deliberately breaking one? Would the easiest way to do it be by going fishing with a large ship's anchor?
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#6 Feb 03 2008 at 7:34 PM Rating: Default
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I think the excuse of an anchor dropping on it only works once, twice if the audience is REALLY gullible and the reporters spin it well. Four times though? Fox News couldn't even spin this to look good.

Edited, Feb 3rd 2008 10:35pm by manwithplanx
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Your average marine cable is between 200 and 500 feet down at least. Your average deep sea anchor is maybe 15 feet wide at the most.

Your average deep sea cable diameter is less than a foot.

It would be rather difficult to even delberatly hit the things once from the surface.
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#8 Feb 03 2008 at 7:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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I blame the Muzzies. They prolly think that all that intrawebs **** is a Zionist plot to corrupt their martyring youth with thoughts of circumsized Jew d1cks and wild Western women. I'm surprised they don't throw burkas over Coke bottles, what with all those lascivious curves they have...

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Who was using those cables to download their ****? All the viruses must have burned their way through the cables. Ether that or it was Bin Ladens underwater ninja strike team. Whichever of the 2 makes more sense.
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It was me. I'm sick and tired of calling helplines only to not be able to understand a thing they say. It's not English when the accent's so thick it sounds like 12 other languages!
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Egypt says that the first two cables were not hit by ships
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CAIRO - Damage to undersea Internet cables in the Mediterranean that hit business across the Middle East and South Asia was not caused by ships, Egypt’s communications ministry said on Sunday, ruling out earlier reports.

The transport ministry added that footage recorded by onshore video cameras of the location of the cables showed no maritime traffic in the area when the cables were damaged.

‘The ministry’s maritime transport committee reviewed footage covering the period of 12 hours before and 12 hours after the cables were cut and no ships sailed the area,’ a statement said.

‘The area is also marked on maps as a no-go zone and it is therefore ruled out that the damage to the cables was caused by ships,’ the statement added.
If there were no ships and the damage was done by people then we're down to the umpteen nations which field submarines. We'll have this solved yet!

Who's to say that it's 'enemy' action? Plenty of foil-hatters who think it's the US and/or Israel tapping the cables. Personally, I reserve judgement due to a lack of knowledge on the subject.
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#12 Feb 04 2008 at 8:23 AM Rating: Good
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I know that sharks are attracted to single direction power cables. It's one of the benefits of double direction helix wound underwater power-cables that they cut that sort of thing out. Could a heap of electricity-crazy sharks go through enough cable to damage it? Would they even be attracted to a Net cable?

Oh, and the Middle East is probe to earth tremors, with their frequency increasing this last decade. I presume Earth-quakes have been ruled out?

Edited, Feb 4th 2008 11:25am by Aripyanfar
#13 Feb 04 2008 at 8:47 AM Rating: Decent
This has a very simple explanation that I'm surprised nobody has been able to come up with yet.

It was the Cloverfield monster.
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This has a very simple explanation that I'm surprised nobody has been able to come up with yet.

It was the Cloverfield monster.
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Aripyanfar wrote:
Oh, and the Middle East is probe to earth tremors, with their frequency increasing this last decade. I presume Earth-quakes have been ruled out?

There have been earthquakes steadily moving across Turkey the past several years, they may have reached the Mediterranean by now
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Could a heap of electricity-crazy sharks go through enough cable to damage it? Would they even be attracted to a Net cable?


The cables in question are Fiber optic. I.e. glass strands with laser light in them. There is a very very very low voltage break monitorign cable running in the strands, but it shouldn't be enough to attract anything.
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Mediterranean, eh?

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Who's to say that it's 'enemy' action? Plenty of foil-hatters who think it's the US and/or Israel tapping the cables. Personally, I reserve judgement due to a lack of knowledge on the subject.


Whatever else you want to say about israel and the U.S., they both have excellent wiretap teams. The U.S has plenty of experiance with tapping the soviets marine cables. Israel just taps everything out of habit. Either one of them wouldn't tap the cable in a manner that would disrupt service, because that would lead to their taps being quickly discovered.

I'm leaning towards Iran at the moment based on this:
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/04/irans-space-program-through-3-d-glasses/?hp

If you didn't want data about your launch leaking for a few days, maybe they might try something? If I remember right they do have access to a few old desil submarines from WWII. Though if this was caused by a sub, the U.S. sosus sonar network would have likely recorded it.
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Israel just taps everything out of habit.
Damn Jews trying to mate with our women Smiley: mad
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#20 Feb 04 2008 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Israel just taps everything out of habit.
Damn Jews trying to mate with our women Smiley: mad

Yeah but they only go after the ones with big noses.

Edited, Feb 4th 2008 9:13pm by RuinatorVek
#21 Feb 04 2008 at 2:18 PM Rating: Good
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/sigh

Typical. Instead of going with the obvious choice (Muzzies, people, muzzies!), you instead go for the old tried-n-true Jew baiting. I just cain't learn ya, can I?

I'm with Kao on this one. Motive, means, and method tells the tale. Muzzies have the motive- they hate anything that advanced past the 13th century, the subs to make it happen, and the lack of skills to do it sneakily. Amatuer hour in the Middle East.

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Treadmill.

You guys need to watch more movies Smiley: rolleyes
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they hate anything that advanced past the 13th century, the subs to make it happen
If the former was true, the latter would involve Aristole-designed diving bells or something.
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
If you didn't want data about your launch leaking for a few days, maybe they might try something? If I remember right they do have access to a few old desil submarines from WWII. Though if this was caused by a sub, the U.S. sosus sonar network would have likely recorded it.


Speaking of which, is there anyone out there that really thinks that this is just about launching satellites into space?
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#25 Feb 04 2008 at 6:06 PM Rating: Good
I blame the Amish.
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Sure, Jophiel, but just like the terrorists using Semtex and cell phones to blow stuff up, doesn't mean that they do it happily. Modern technology is simply the means to bring down the West and once they do, it's back to donkey carts and burning camel dung for fuel.

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