Well, on topic I was right Clinton did win by a small margin :)
Back to what you guys are saying.
who benefits the greatest from each caniadate period?
Black (Obama) my guess
Latinos (clinton) I am not comletely clear on the reasons but it seem latinos think so
Middle class (uncertain)
White male (unsure again)
White Female (perhaps they want clinton for president has anyone researched Gender voting I can't find anything on that topic)
Gays - I will go with Clinton being gay myself I certainly think she would look out for the gays mores so than any other canidate. Bill did a great job I am sure she would as well, 8 years of having a President that hasn't hidden that he is more or less Disgusted by gays has not been fun.
and any other category you can toss in.
I just woke up and half here was just wondering what you guys thought.
but, yea that is why Clinton will get my vote.
Edited, Feb 8th 2008 5:46am by Tylendell
Edited, Feb 8th 2008 5:47am by Tylendell
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Actually, according to the results on Super Tuesday Clinton and Obama are nearly evenly split towards gender. Obama had something like 80% of the African-American vote, including women, and is gaining more and more White women.
There are some patterns with demographics and whatnot, but just because Clinton has a large majority of the Latino vote, and Obama the African-American vote, it does not mean that the candidate is the best for them. Both candidates have a history of fighting for equality amongst minorities, so I really do not think that, in general, groups are "better off" or not with either as President. I suggest researching Clinton and Obama's past stances regarding gay rights before coming to a decision.
For example:
Just something to think on. It would appear that Hillary has been more active on the issue, but in no way is Obama insensitive to/against gay rights, either. That might just mean researching some other key issues that are important to you that these two candidates differ on.
Edited for clarity.
Edited, Feb 8th 2008 8:39am by Alixana
There are some patterns with demographics and whatnot, but just because Clinton has a large majority of the Latino vote, and Obama the African-American vote, it does not mean that the candidate is the best for them. Both candidates have a history of fighting for equality amongst minorities, so I really do not think that, in general, groups are "better off" or not with either as President. I suggest researching Clinton and Obama's past stances regarding gay rights before coming to a decision.
For example:
Quote:
Employment Non-Discrimination: Barack Obama supports the Employment Non-Discrimination Act and believes it should be expanded to include sexual orientation and gender identity.
Don't Ask, Don't Tell - Gays in the Military: Barack Obama believes we need to repeal the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy and allow gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military. His campaign literature says, "The key test for military service should be patriotism, a sense of duty, and a willingness to serve."
Gay & Lesbian Adoption: Barack Obama believes gays and lesbians should have the same rights to adopt children as heterosexuals.
Barack Obama and Gay Marriage/ Civil Unions: Although Barack Obama has said that he supports civil unions, he is against gay marriage. In an interview with the Chicago Daily Tribune, Obama said, "I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."
Barack Obama did vote against a Federal Marriage Amendment and opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996.
He said he would support civil unions between gay and lesbian couples, as well as letting individual states determine if marriage between gay and lesbian couples should be legalized.
"Giving them a set of basic rights would allow them to experience their relationship and live their lives in a way that doesn't cause discrimination," Obama said. "I think it is the right balance to strike in this society."
Sources: Chicago Daily Tribune, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force
Don't Ask, Don't Tell - Gays in the Military: Barack Obama believes we need to repeal the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy and allow gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military. His campaign literature says, "The key test for military service should be patriotism, a sense of duty, and a willingness to serve."
Gay & Lesbian Adoption: Barack Obama believes gays and lesbians should have the same rights to adopt children as heterosexuals.
Barack Obama and Gay Marriage/ Civil Unions: Although Barack Obama has said that he supports civil unions, he is against gay marriage. In an interview with the Chicago Daily Tribune, Obama said, "I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."
Barack Obama did vote against a Federal Marriage Amendment and opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996.
He said he would support civil unions between gay and lesbian couples, as well as letting individual states determine if marriage between gay and lesbian couples should be legalized.
"Giving them a set of basic rights would allow them to experience their relationship and live their lives in a way that doesn't cause discrimination," Obama said. "I think it is the right balance to strike in this society."
Sources: Chicago Daily Tribune, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force
Quote:
Federal Marriage Amendment: Hillary Clinton voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment (S.J. Res. 1) which would have defined marriage as between a man and a woman and included language which could have prevented recognition of civil unions and domestic partnership benefits. The amendment failed by a vote of 49-48.
Hillary Clinton and Gays in the Military: Hillary Clinton supports the repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and supports the rights of gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military."It hurts all of our troops, and this, to me, is a matter of national security," she said to a group of HRC supporters.
Employment Non-Discrimination: Clinton said she would work to pass a federal law outlawing employment discrimination based on sexual orientation and propose another measure extending benefits to the partners of federal employees in March 2007 at an HRC fundraiser.
Hate Crimes and HIV Support: Hillary Clinton, in line with HRC, co-sponsored legislation to bring Medicaid coverage to low-income, HIV-positive Americans and the Local Law Enforcement Enhancement Act which would expand federal jurisdiction to reach serious, violent hate crimes perpetrated because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation or disability of the victim.
Gay Immigration Rights: Hillary Clinton did not co-sponsor Uniting American Families Act that would amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to provide same-sex partners of U.S. citizens the same immigration benefits legal spouses of U.S. residents enjoy.
Gay Adoption: Hillary Clinton supports giving gays and lesbians equal rights in adopting children.
Hillary Clinton and Gay Marriage: Some gay and lesbian voters don't feel like Hillary Clinton has done enough to support gay and lesbian rights, while others believe she is the best candidate for gay and lesbian issues. Clinton opposes gay marriage but supports civil unions between members of the same sex. During her husband's administration, she supported the Defense of Marriage Act, a law preventing the federal recognition of same-sex marriage.
"Marriage has got historic, religious and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time, and I think a marriage is as a marriage always has been, between a man and a woman." - Hillary Clinton, opposing same-sex marriages, quoted in The New York Daily News.
However, in October 2006 Hillary Clinton was quoted by 365gay.com as saying,"I believe in full equality of benefits, nothing left out. From my perspective there is a greater likelihood of us getting to that point in civil unions or domestic partnerships and that is my very considered assessment."
Hillary Clinton and Gays in the Military: Hillary Clinton supports the repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and supports the rights of gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military."It hurts all of our troops, and this, to me, is a matter of national security," she said to a group of HRC supporters.
Employment Non-Discrimination: Clinton said she would work to pass a federal law outlawing employment discrimination based on sexual orientation and propose another measure extending benefits to the partners of federal employees in March 2007 at an HRC fundraiser.
Hate Crimes and HIV Support: Hillary Clinton, in line with HRC, co-sponsored legislation to bring Medicaid coverage to low-income, HIV-positive Americans and the Local Law Enforcement Enhancement Act which would expand federal jurisdiction to reach serious, violent hate crimes perpetrated because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation or disability of the victim.
Gay Immigration Rights: Hillary Clinton did not co-sponsor Uniting American Families Act that would amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to provide same-sex partners of U.S. citizens the same immigration benefits legal spouses of U.S. residents enjoy.
Gay Adoption: Hillary Clinton supports giving gays and lesbians equal rights in adopting children.
Hillary Clinton and Gay Marriage: Some gay and lesbian voters don't feel like Hillary Clinton has done enough to support gay and lesbian rights, while others believe she is the best candidate for gay and lesbian issues. Clinton opposes gay marriage but supports civil unions between members of the same sex. During her husband's administration, she supported the Defense of Marriage Act, a law preventing the federal recognition of same-sex marriage.
"Marriage has got historic, religious and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time, and I think a marriage is as a marriage always has been, between a man and a woman." - Hillary Clinton, opposing same-sex marriages, quoted in The New York Daily News.
However, in October 2006 Hillary Clinton was quoted by 365gay.com as saying,"I believe in full equality of benefits, nothing left out. From my perspective there is a greater likelihood of us getting to that point in civil unions or domestic partnerships and that is my very considered assessment."
Just something to think on. It would appear that Hillary has been more active on the issue, but in no way is Obama insensitive to/against gay rights, either. That might just mean researching some other key issues that are important to you that these two candidates differ on.
Edited for clarity.
Edited, Feb 8th 2008 8:39am by Alixana
Jophiel wrote:
True but that's nothing the analysts haven't considered. Individual differences aside, there are detectable trends in most demographic groups. Latino, black, white, male, female, Christian, Democrat, Republican, etc etc. Latinos just have the spotlight this time around because it's an increasing portion of the demographic, especially in important primary states.
Yeah, I agree completely, especially in states like California which has a very, very large Mexican population. Here in Florida though, we have much more of a mixed Latino population and, as far as voting goes, people tend to talk here more about the Cuban vote stateside (because Cubans are probably the most numerous, I am not sure of exact numbers). I live in a suburb of Tampa and we have a lot of Mexicans (many of them illegal) here; whereas Tampa has a big Cuban population in addition to Mexican and others from Central and South America. So, especially coming from a state that's more "mixed" in our Latino demographics, and a state that's generally pretty important in elections (when not ******* over every election, that is), it is strange to not hear that aspect discussed nearly as much. Then again, in places like New Mexico, Arizona, and California the proportion of Latinos to whites is larger.
I am not sure about Obama I fear the fact that him being black might stand in his way on a lot of issues. I saw an interview with him several months ago talking about all the heat he takes as it is for "not being black enough"
I am no political mastermind nor have I ever really taken a huge interest in it aside from hating Bush for the past 8 years. (Gore was robbed)
That being said I don't like Republicans, they can burn in hell just like they wish for me to do. I do think in my opinion Hillary has the best chance to run an administration without having to cater to or apease one gender,race, or sexually oriented group.
She will still get my vote at this point, if Obama makes it to the main election he will get my vote. Did I mention I wish all Republicans would go die in a fire?
Edit to add
I just wanna make it clear I by no stretch go straight for "who likes gays more" when deciding on my vote. Personally the country was doing great when Bill was in and I think Hillary will run the same course. my 2 cents.
Edited, Feb 8th 2008 9:42am by Tylendell
I am no political mastermind nor have I ever really taken a huge interest in it aside from hating Bush for the past 8 years. (Gore was robbed)
That being said I don't like Republicans, they can burn in hell just like they wish for me to do. I do think in my opinion Hillary has the best chance to run an administration without having to cater to or apease one gender,race, or sexually oriented group.
She will still get my vote at this point, if Obama makes it to the main election he will get my vote. Did I mention I wish all Republicans would go die in a fire?
Edit to add
I just wanna make it clear I by no stretch go straight for "who likes gays more" when deciding on my vote. Personally the country was doing great when Bill was in and I think Hillary will run the same course. my 2 cents.
Edited, Feb 8th 2008 9:42am by Tylendell
Queen Alixana wrote:
Here in Florida though, we have much more of a mixed Latino population and, as far as voting goes, people tend to talk here more about the Cuban vote stateside (because Cubans are probably the most numerous, I am not sure of exact numbers). I live in a suburb of Tampa and we have a lot of Mexicans (many of them illegal) here; whereas Tampa has a big Cuban population in addition to Mexican and others from Central and South America.
Obviously I knew that "Latino-Land" didn't stop at Mexico's southern border but the Chicago Hispanic community is largely Mexican so it's what you get used to.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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