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#1 Jan 31 2008 at 4:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Just for those that don't want to read the entire thread, I'll paraphrase via quotes.


Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
The Asylum was perhaps a little too sucessful in perpetuating their own legend of hostility towards new blood over the last few years.

The origional purpose of the OOT was to create an off topic conversation area for the more fragile posters. It was to be work safe, non hostile, and more heavily moderated.

In the last few months there has been a shift in posting styles and content. Attempting to enforce filters met with limited success, but for the most part there are too many people breaking them for us to spend alot of time on it. (Incedentally one of the main reasons for the filters and the rules along those lines is that the more pbscene words on a page, the quicker web page filtering software at schools and work block the site)

Flameing posters has become a popular pastime in the OOT. the very thing it was created to be a haven against. I've hesitated moving threads from here into the Asylum because I was afraid the reaction would be less than steller, but maybe it is time to re-evaluate that.

There are several of you who have outgrown OOT.

I think it's Kao social experiment #182 time.

Nobby wrote:
I've decided to get pre-emptively butthurt about any future insults and am drafting a complaint to an admin seeking damages for mental anguish, just in case.

On that basis, I believe it's safer to avoid any reference to any posters, as we don't want to cause a ripple in the OOT/Time continuum.

No more insults, attacks or FTFYs from me. No sir. If BT can quit drinking, I can quit being offensive.
I shall say nothing but inordinately nice comments about people for the time being.

If it turns out like Nepthys's "I'm Nice" campaign in =4, such is life.

I love you all and I want to be like you.

Kisses and manly backslaps all round.
Prom Queen NixNot wrote:
The OoT = Asylum lite.

It does, face it. If something goes on in the OoT, and there is a complaint about it, it will be dealt with. If that same thing happened in the Asylum, and someone complained about it, they would have been told to GTFO. It's the way it has always been, but only recently has there been a large number of people here, interacting with each other, so there are bound to be more conflicts.

In light of this, I would like to point out that the Asylum might as well be a graveyard. How about there be a mass exodus of OoTers to =4? Someone round up the Unicorn flag, and send =60 in as a first wave. We can pave over the old bones and build an amusement park. You know you want to.

Do it.

DOOO EEEEEET!
Prom Queen NixNot wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Prom Queen NixNot wrote:
In light of this, I would like to point out that the Asylum might as well be a graveyard. How about there be a mass exodus of OoTers to =4? Someone round up the Unicorn flag, and send =60 in as a first wave. We can pave over the old bones and build an amusement park. You know you want to.
I pray to god that was tongue-in-cheek but I wouldn't be offended if people going over the line were told to take it to =4 rather than told to shut or face admin wrath.

But isn't that exactly why the Asylum and the OoT split? So that the people who really didn't want any intervention at all had a place to go and be as horrible and disrespectful as they wanted to be?

Jophiel wrote:
Prom Queen NixNot wrote:
But isn't that exactly why the Asylum and the OoT split? So that the people who really didn't want any intervention at all had a place to go and be as horrible and disrespectful as they wanted to be?
No, it split so the people who didn't want to horrible had a place to hide Smiley: grin You'll note that Forum=4 came before Forum=22.

Anyway, we seem to be of similar mind. Tell people going "too far" to take it to the appropriate forum rather than plainly telling them that speaking further will get them muted/banned/etc.


Do you feel some OOTers have outgrown the OOT, that the admins are overreacting, or that they should just stay the @#%^ out of your forum?


EDIT: Feel free to insert an obligatory "GFY".

Edited, Jan 31st 2008 5:06am by Rimesume
#2 Jan 31 2008 at 5:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't know anything about the OOT or its posters so uhhhh...GFY, I guess.

/shrug

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#3 Jan 31 2008 at 5:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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I havent been paying attention to the OOT. I know there are one or two people who post there I dont mind, and others that make the sound of nails on a chalkboard sound like a harmonic symphony. But the rift between OOT and Asylum previously had been due to people who did not have a thick skin and could not handle having it dished to them, wheras in the Asylum, if you were told to go **** yourself, you dealt with it and moved on. We dont deal with pansys. Except maybe Sabo, but he's worth it Smiley: inlove

Now instead, you have two forums acting similiar in what goes, the sharks, and the Jets, so to speak. And the real pansies are left in the dark with nowhere to go. I wouldnt mind some fresh blood in here, but I think there are some misconceptions that need to be cleared up before things actually go further. One being the OOT seems to think We use the rate button at any chance we can. To be perfectly honest, if you dont like whats said in here, pull in your sac, straighten up, and fight back......verbally moron. That's whats supposed to make this place fun. And use intelligence for Bobs sake, not "Nuh uh your mother" load of crap. Actually try and use that brain for a semi decent retort. It's what made the Asylum stand out from a lot of the OOt drivel, nothing personal. I dont want the influx of OOTers come in here, start rating down because they think We do at every turn, and then post stupid little comments. I dont think very many of us even care about the rate button, unless someone is really being idiotic. Hell, we even let gbaji keep spamming here for entertainment.

If the more "energetic" OOTers are being thrown in here, that's fine. I think it's time for them to stop hiding in their own little club house and join the adults. let's see what happens and give the real kiddies their sandbox back.
#4 Jan 31 2008 at 5:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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What is this place you're talking about? It almost sounds like there are other people in other forums on this site, which of course is ludicrous!
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#5 Jan 31 2008 at 5:23 AM Rating: Good
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What is this place you're talking about? It almost sounds like there are other people in other forums on this site, which of course is ludicrous!



Yes, I understand this, which is why I was asinine enough to provide a link.
#6 Jan 31 2008 at 5:25 AM Rating: Good
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Self moderation is key. If they want to post in the Asylum, they should, and we'll inform them of the rules and they'll notice violations. The reason that the OOT has gotten out of hand, in my opinion, is that they seem to largely ignore their own rules, even the ones they agree with, and rate up those who are causing them distress. They rate the person, not the post.

For example, I rate Smash down if he's being an *******...go ahead and check. I've rated friends down and up in the same thread. Of course, then I don't rate anyone for three months, but that's because I'm lazy.

If you folks over in the OOT want it to be a certain way, you need to enforce it yourselves. YOU should tell the people that are "ruining it" to move over here if they want to behave that way, or to accept the rules of that forum. YOU then need to rate them appropriately. Also, you can ******* ignore them when they're being retarded.

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#8 Jan 31 2008 at 5:38 AM Rating: Decent
Nexa wrote:
Self moderation is key. If they want to post in the Asylum, they should, and we'll inform them of the rules and they'll notice violations. The reason that the OOT has gotten out of hand, in my opinion, is that they seem to largely ignore their own rules, even the ones they agree with, and rate up those who are causing them distress. They rate the person, not the post.

For example, I rate Smash down if he's being an @#%^...go ahead and check. I've rated friends down and up in the same thread. Of course, then I don't rate anyone for three months, but that's because I'm lazy.

If you folks over in the OOT want it to be a certain way, you need to enforce it yourselves. YOU should tell the people that are "ruining it" to move over here if they want to behave that way, or to accept the rules of that forum. YOU then need to rate them appropriately. Also, you can @#%^ing ignore them when they're being retarded.

Nexa



I actually agree with this on many different levels.


Several of the OOT regs got norated due to a little clubhouse rate camping up. While my reputation for being a raging dick notwithstanding, I find both DSD's, and your's responses a little ironic.


In my some 3000 posts here in the Asylum, I can honestly say I've been rated a hell of a lot more in the OOT as of late, even more than the FFXI main, much less the WoW main, and even further the Asylum. At first, I really didn't understand their fear of posting in this forum. Then I figured it out. Their little rate up parties won't fly here. Whereas the difference between them, myself, and posters like myself (such as Kaeleash) is that we don't post to gain popularity, we post to get a good-ol-fashioned "lol" out of it.

Nexa, and to a lesser extent, DSD have made a very good point IMO. While I feel a lot of OOT posters wouldn't last 2000 posts in the Asylum, a good number of them would. Even some I think are complete vermin infested twatbags such as Annabella.

While I feel Kao's post in the OOT was funny, I also agree with it to an extent. Perhaps the more, if you will, violent posters of the OOT came to the Asylum, it wouldn't be such a graveyard.



Edited, Jan 31st 2008 5:40am by Rimesume
#9 Jan 31 2008 at 5:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Nexa wrote:
If you folks over in the OOT want it to be a certain way, you need to enforce it yourselves. YOU should tell the people that are "ruining it" to move over here if they want to behave that way, or to accept the rules of that forum.


Ahem. We're the ones getting yelled at.

A certain poster, let's call her Melody, chatters incessantly about her developmentally challenged kids and her distant and unengaged (and, frankly, who can blame him?) husband. She's just another annoying, needy ****, basically. I tend to skip her posts, but of course BT and Nobby and a couple of others can't resist baiting her.

So anyway she's gone crying to the admins a few times now, and Kao threatened - or, in my view, offered - to start moving threads over here in much the same way that "hay guise luk at dis lol" threads get moved to the Sandbox.

I for one think it's a fine idea. The point is well taken that people are being mean and vulgar in the wrong forum. That's really all it's about.

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#10 Jan 31 2008 at 6:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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[quote=RimesumeYes, I understand this, which is why I was asinine enough to provide a link.[/quote]
That's like a "left turn" sign pointing towards a cliff face.
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#11 Jan 31 2008 at 6:02 AM Rating: Decent
Debalic wrote:
Rimesume wrote:
Yes, I understand this, which is why I was asinine enough to provide a link.

That's like a "left turn" sign pointing towards a cliff face.



Well, you got the fucking point didn't you?
#12 Jan 31 2008 at 6:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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Samira wrote:
"hay guise luk at dis lol"


Smiley: laugh
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#13 Jan 31 2008 at 6:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Samira wrote:
Nexa wrote:
If you folks over in the OOT want it to be a certain way, you need to enforce it yourselves. YOU should tell the people that are "ruining it" to move over here if they want to behave that way, or to accept the rules of that forum.


Ahem. We're the ones getting yelled at.

A certain poster, let's call her Melody, chatters incessantly about her developmentally challenged kids and her distant and unengaged (and, frankly, who can blame him?) husband. She's just another annoying, needy ****, basically. I tend to skip her posts, but of course BT and Nobby and a couple of others can't resist baiting her.

So anyway she's gone crying to the admins a few times now, and Kao threatened - or, in my view, offered - to start moving threads over here in much the same way that "hay guise luk at dis lol" threads get moved to the Sandbox.

I for one think it's a fine idea. The point is well taken that people are being mean and vulgar in the wrong forum. That's really all it's about.



This made me laugh harder than it should have.
#14 Jan 31 2008 at 6:17 AM Rating: Good
Samira wrote:


A certain poster, let's call her Melody,


To be fair, Melody is not the first to cry like a 9y.o. girl about how mean the OOT has been as of late.
#15 Jan 31 2008 at 6:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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As Samira said, Melody (and I don't think she's the first) has gone crying to the admins about post content. The response from the admin(s) was "Stop saying those things or we'll punish you". Personally, I'd rather see flame-bait threads moved here than being blanketly told "You'll get muted for being a dick" Being a dick is a proud tradition here.

I'm not for a merging of the forums (not that any admins have suggested it) but rather a cleaner division between the two with the understanding that Forum=4 is, as advertised, a potentially harsher place. I think some people will gravitate more towards here where they don't have to self-moderate on a thread to thread basis so much, some would prefer the 'safety' of the OoT and most would continue to bounce between the two.

One thing I roll my eyes at though are those who think "Oh, this is a flame forum!". It's not. It's a forum where flames don't get admin-smacked. There's a difference there which isn't even subtle.
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#16 Jan 31 2008 at 6:28 AM Rating: Excellent
Princess Tare wrote:
Samira wrote:
"hay guise luk at dis lol"


Smiley: laugh
That thread would go eight pages in =28.


And I'd lay even money that Melody would make some needy, clinging post about her crotch mistakes in it somewhere.
#17 Jan 31 2008 at 6:36 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
As Samira said, Melody (and I don't think she's the first) has gone crying to the admins about post content. The response from the admin(s) was "Stop saying those things or we'll punish you". Personally, I'd rather see flame-bait threads moved here than being blanketly told "You'll get muted for being a dick" Being a dick is a proud tradition here.

I'm not for a merging of the forums (not that any admins have suggested it) but rather a cleaner division between the two with the understanding that Forum=4 is, as advertised, a potentially harsher place. I think some people will gravitate more towards here where they don't have to self-moderate on a thread to thread basis so much, some would prefer the 'safety' of the OoT and most would continue to bounce between the two.

One thing I roll my eyes at though are those who think "Oh, this is a flame forum!". It's not. It's a forum where flames don't get admin-smacked. There's a difference there which isn't even subtle.


Right, we allow "robust" discussion over here and don't let it get to us (mostly). I know that I can argue with someone about religion over here, and say I think it's ridiculous, and know that it's not going to have some great damage to our relationship. I mean, look at the ability (sorry to dredge this up) of Smash and DSD arguing about ghosts and talk about how pig headed the other is and then we can all go out and have a lovely dinner. That's how it is here, and THAT is what the bulk of the OOTers are missing (in my opinion). We can yell at each other, call each other names, and have very excited discussion about a number of topics but we understand the difference between "personal attacks" and personal attacks. I'd never bother complaining to an admin unless I thought a real line had been crossed (like someone researching me and calling my mother at home and scaring her, which appears to actually have happened to someone in the OOT).

I have my own personal lines as well, and I use the rate button for those, albeit rarely. I don't see the need to get the admins involved for differences of opinion, no matter how heated.

Nexa
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#18 Jan 31 2008 at 6:37 AM Rating: Good
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Mindel wrote:
Princess Tare wrote:
Samira wrote:
"hay guise luk at dis lol"


Smiley: laugh
That thread would go eight pages in =28.


And I'd lay even money that Melody would make some needy, clinging post about her crotch mistakes in it somewhere.


I Smiley: inlove Asylum Mindel. Srsly.
#19 Jan 31 2008 at 6:40 AM Rating: Good
Nexa wrote:
I'd never bother complaining to an admin unless I thought a real line had been crossed (like someone researching me and calling my mother at home and scaring her, which appears to actually have happened to someone in the OOT).
It did. Hellboy called Anna's mother. In his defense, though, it wasn't an attack. He was concerned because she'd "disappeared" for a few weeks, and being socially awkward to an excruciating degree (and, apparently, drunk) he started trying to find out what had happened to her. I feel that was more an example of him just not really understanding boundaries, and I don't think he meant to hurt or scare anyone.
#20 Jan 31 2008 at 6:44 AM Rating: Good
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Mindel wrote:
Nexa wrote:
I'd never bother complaining to an admin unless I thought a real line had been crossed (like someone researching me and calling my mother at home and scaring her, which appears to actually have happened to someone in the OOT).
It did. Hellboy called Anna's mother. In his defense, though, it wasn't an attack. He was concerned because she'd "disappeared" for a few weeks, and being socially awkward to an excruciating degree (and, apparently, drunk) he started trying to find out what had happened to her. I feel that was more an example of him just not really understanding boundaries, and I don't think he meant to hurt or scare anyone.


You'll have to excuse me if my sympathy (and empathy) in this situation is non-existant.

Nexa
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#21REDACTED, Posted: Jan 31 2008 at 6:48 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) There's a big difference between posting about my kids every so often and incessantly chatting about them. And to act like you know anything about my husband would be a gross miscalculation. I also don't mind BT or Nobby baiting tactics. What I have a problem with is people, who would otherwise not speak to me, making jabs just because it's the cool thing to do.
#22 Jan 31 2008 at 6:48 AM Rating: Good
Nexa wrote:
You'll have to excuse me if my sympathy (and empathy) in this situation is non-existant.
I understand. I think if I didn't know Hellboy as well as I do, I'd feel the same way. I think of him almost like a retarded little brother, so I'm probably much more forgiving than I should be.
#23 Jan 31 2008 at 6:49 AM Rating: Good
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Now that the feel-good agreement stuff is sccomplished, I'll reply to this quote pulled from both the OoT thread and the Feedback Forum
Aripyanfar wrote:
I'd both be very happy and very sad for the OOT rules to start to be enforced more, but I htink it's a good idea if they are. I think it would be entirely appropriate for many OOT threads to be moved to the Asylum, and if that is done, I'd like the Admins to make it clear to any Asylumites that they can't complain about OOT stupidity being trashcanned in their space, because this is also part of the role the Asylum exists for.
(A) I hate threads moved en masse. If someone is going over the line, tell them to take it to the appropriate forum. Moving threads, especially "off-topic" style threads (as opposed to putting an FFXI thread into the FFXI forums) shifts people who may have chosen not to post here and generally creates crabbiness on all sides. Plus, being told to take your flames to =4 means you actually have to care enough to come here and flame, not have an admin move your ill-placed flames for you.

(B) If you're going to post here, ball up and post here. Don't do so under a shield of "The admins said it's okay! You can't complain!!" If you're that much of a pansy, you should stay in OoT anyway.
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#24 Jan 31 2008 at 6:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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When I started posting there, no one seemed to make the "Your child is retarded" comments just to get a rise. Sure, they might say I was retarded, but that's different in my opinion. If you can't handle comments like that, you shouldn't post period.
If you can't handle people calling your children lope-headed window lickers, you shouldn't make them a topic of discussion at all. In any forum.
#25 Jan 31 2008 at 6:51 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Now that the feel-good agreement stuff is sccomplished, I'll reply to this quote pulled from both the OoT thread and the Feedback Forum
Aripyanfar wrote:
I'd both be very happy and very sad for the OOT rules to start to be enforced more, but I htink it's a good idea if they are. I think it would be entirely appropriate for many OOT threads to be moved to the Asylum, and if that is done, I'd like the Admins to make it clear to any Asylumites that they can't complain about OOT stupidity being trashcanned in their space, because this is also part of the role the Asylum exists for.
(A) I hate threads moved en masse. If someone is going over the line, tell them to take it to the appropriate forum. Moving threads, especially "off-topic" style threads (as opposed to putting an FFXI thread into the FFXI forums) shifts people who may have chosen not to post here and generally creates crabbiness on all sides. Plus, being told to take your flames to =4 means you actually have to care enough to come here and flame, not have an admin move your ill-placed flames for you.

(B) If you're going to post here, ball up and post here. Don't do so under a shield of "The admins said it's okay! You can't complain!!" If you're that much of a pansy, you should stay in OoT anyway.


Stupidity will be rated down to subdefault in a matter of minutes, if not seconds here. I don't think anyone would bother to "complain" about it, except the people who are suddenly in subdefault because we ******* hate "My hovercraft is full of eels" ******** over here.

Nexa
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#26 Jan 31 2008 at 6:53 AM Rating: Default
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Melody the Eccentric wrote:
When I started posting there, no one seemed to make the "Your child is retarded" comments just to get a rise. Sure, they might say I was retarded, but that's different in my opinion. If you can't handle comments like that, you shouldn't post period.
If you can't handle people calling your children lope-headed window lickers, you shouldn't make them a topic of discussion at all. In any forum.


I posted about them for well over 6 months before anyone made a jab. And they only made jabs at them after it was the "cool thing" to start making fun at me. Excuse me if I didn't realize after so long of posting about them with no comment that others would decide to make them the subject of ridicule.
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