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Oh Obama, Oh Oh, Obama!

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He gave one amazing victory speech. Recent 'debate' here at the Jophleael household has centered around old-school politics, and Obama's unwillingness to give up pointing out untruths that the Clinton camp was levelling at him.

Joph's position, if I understood it correctly over the yelling, was that no matter 'the game', he could not conceive of voting for someone who could willfully bend the truth and justify the means by the ends, as it was pretty much what our current administration did. This makes perfect sense to me, as Joph is the most ethical man I know, and of course it irks him. I understand that, but to insiders, there was a grudging admiration for the way the Clintons could find a ***** in that shining armor and exploit it repeatedly and effectively, getting Obama off-message and effectively preempting him at times by making him reactive when his greatest strength is how proactive he can be.

I contended that B. Clinton was playing strategery, and that Obama was reacting exactly they way they the Clinton camp wanted him to, getting dragged into petty slapfights and games of telephone. I wanted him to one-up them strategically, which involved him representing himself as other than he is, ie, sympathetic to the Clintons but radically different. For me, it was an issue of marketing, plain and simple, and he was being outmarketed.

Tonight, he spoke and acted and said exactly what he needed to say. He clocked in, in my book. People that want Hillary want someone who can deal with the machine that few outside the beltway will ever know or understand or even admire. what he had to do is set himself as a new machine-an upgrade, and I think he's finally taking steps toward that. He was electric. Good for him.

He will never win the nomination, and even if he does, he is not electable. Too far left.

A moderate is going to be elected. The only way that Obama could win a general election is if Huckabee somehow managed to win the nomination.

Since that is not going to happen, then Hillary is the best scenario for the left.

A moderate is going to be elected. The only way that Obama could win a general election is if Huckabee somehow managed to win the nomination.

It's funny when novices talk about politics. You may as well have posted "The moon doesn't fall on us because it's made of green cheese, and cheese is lighter than air"

More to the point, I don't see any reason (based on her campaign) to have more faith in her candor or levels of manipulation while in office than I have in our current president. And if I'm willing to ***** about him, I should be willing to ***** about her.

The usual retort this primary is "Well, it'll be hard in the general election" but that's not really the point. I'm not turned off by the attacks that Obama is receiving, I'm turned off by the attacks that Clinton is presenting. Call it idealism or naivity or whatever but whoever is running needs to earn my vote. They don't get it solely by benefit of wearing a blue shirt. As is, I just don't trust her to do what's best for anyone but her.

Living in a blue state, it won't make any real difference, but I won't vote for her if she's on the general ticket. Most likely, I'll skip that part of the ballot entirely and just vote for Congressional and state positions.

With that, I'll leave you to smirk and giggle about my rejection of the reality of Machiavellian politics.

Maybe. But I'm too politic'd out today to argue it. So run with that.

You my dear, are a man out of time. You should be wearing a hat, condemning McCarthyism and buying bonds.

Organizing dock workers is a better visual. Joph, standing atop a rickety wooden crate, arms extended, exulting longshoremen to stand together against the oppressive taylorist ruling class! "To arms my large sweaty brothers! Carpe dockum!"

Or something.



Edited, Jan 27th 2008 2:00pm by Smasharoo

In that case, I'd be voting for Edwards. Duh.

I was under the impression that if he was more viable, you would. I could be mistaken.

I do!He is dahhhling. I could just sop him up with a biscuit.

I'm only voting for him because Kucinich dropped out.

Wait, Obama is "too far left"? Only a cracksmoking rightwinger would call Obama far left.

Obama gives me that feeling that I haven't had since 1992. That unfamiliar feeling of optimism. I'm sure it will go away.

PS. Romney? The democrats should hope that Romney is nominated since no candidate on either side is easier to deconstruct and expose for his wild inconsistencies in his positions.

Edited, Jan 27th 2008 3:35pm by Annabella

Obama will not be the next president of the United States.

Maybe not, but it won't be because of his stands on the issues. That hasn't effected an election in this country in 70 years.

I am sorry, I was unaware that, in a thread praising Obama, that I was not allowed to state that Hillary is going to win. First I am called a novice, and now the relayer of the obvious.

Oh, and about Richardson...I think you can just about damn bank on it. He can deliver New Mexico, a swing state and he has the ability to motivate the hispanic vote.

Since you seem to know all, who do you think she would pick?

As long as we're throwing around off the cuff predictions, my crystal ball says that the general comes down to Clinton & McCain. McCain takes the independents and "change" vote and wins in a squeaker, giving us another four years of Republican White House-dom. Clinton is considered to have lost the White House for the Democrats when it should have been a sure thing and never gets another real shot at the Oval Office.