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Well, I was originally talking about the fact that everything that comes from Bush is wrong, and everything that comes from anyone who dislikes Bush is right (from your perspective anyway). This without any analysis of the actual issue at hand of course!

However, on the subject you mentioned isn't it more like you predict disaster (cause it's Bush, right?), and then when disaster doesn't happen you attempt to convince everyone that it really is a disaster, just not everyone has noticed it yet. Then, as years go by and the disaster does not happen, and in fact the policy you decried starts to work and do what we conservatives said it would do, you change the subject.


Kinda like how the entire new-found focus on the economy is because there hasn't been enough bad news from Iraq lately. Gee guys! How predictable is that?! You figure that it's been long enough since the last time you insisted that Bush was going to ***** up the economy and ended up completely 180 degrees wrong that maybe no one will notice if you start making the same claims again...


Funny really. Incredibly predictable too.



And any moron can simply insist that something wont work regardless of any facts or figures. It takes a smart person to look at what's happening and what's proposed and realize when things are actually working and when they actually aren't.

Iraq is a ******* mess.

There has been virtually no political progress in Iraq (the stated aim of the 'surge'), and you are no closer to a power-sharing government, oil revenue agreement or new constitution - than you were before the BushCo sent 30,000 more troops to Iraq.

Day to day life for the Iraqis (who havn't been able to leave) is horrendous. They live in segregated ghettoes. The refugee problem is immense. The ones who have returned cannot get help to rebuild or reclaim what was theirs. US soldiers are still dying daily (even tho they hardly go outside their compounds any more).

On pretty much every level the 'surge' has been a failure.

Just because it isn't being reported on in the media that you expose yourself to, doesnt mean that its 'all good'.

I've only gone quiet about it because arguing with you about it is pointless. Prod me tho, I'd be happy to start again.

Bush (yes, the 'man') is a fekking dork. An incompetant dimwit. The only place his epic incompetance will be missed will be in forum=4. The only pleasure he has bought to the world is observing his flawless ability to turn everything he touches to poo.

He will be gone soon (hopefully to a jail somewhere) But no doubt the next fool will be along shortly after to supply even more idiocy, even more fodder for the folk who lurk here when they've got nothin' better to do with their day.

You're right Gbaji. I for one think that Bush is an utter cnut. He has not one redeeming feature (except his comedic value).




A statement like that honestly makes me wonder if we're even talking about the same 'Iraq' or same 'economy' or same '<insert almost any subject you can think of here>'

Listen, I am not fan of Bush (and I am a republican)

Stopped reading about there.

Let me guess, though. Anything good that happens is because of his policies, and anything bad that happens isn't his fault, right?

When was it that "Republican" came to mean "No Personal Accountability". 1968, you think?

The Chief Executive of the US said

Political economy.


That and the focus has been shifted to the upcoming canadates. I doubt it has anything to do with how well or poorly things are going in Iraq.

Edited, Jan 22nd 2008 7:31pm by Rimesume

I hear Conservatism is a mental illness that is treatable with powerful psychoactive drugs.

Are you kidding me Smash? I agree with the basic Republican fundamentals BUT, I do not like how Bush implemented those policies.

one example: Why do I find myself always explaining some simple issue to you.
A basic Republican belief is strong education for our children (which I agree with). Bush's policy: No Child Left Behind, which is crap. It holds teachers accountable (good)for children but gave them less resources to educate (bad).


Besides, isn't Rudy Giuliani a Republican and he doesn't agree with most of Bush's policies?

Seriously Smash, wake up

So it's the FED's fault that investors who took risks lost money? Say it ain't so!

Two words: Moral Hazard.

Deregulation has lead to structural problems in our economy and that is the legacy of republicanism, at least since about 1980.


Goddamnit, I still hate Reagan.


Not a partisan belief.



A crappy unfunded mandate that not only doesn't help the school systems, but actually hurts ones that were performing adequately b/c they have to funnel resources to support the students studying for tests that have unproven merit. Secondly, besides No Child Left Behind and Zero Tolerance, we have an increasing problem of schools expelling kids under highly dubious circumstances (we see it here all the time) and given the fact that a troubled kid who has an 8th grade education is more likely to wind up in Prison than one with a high school diploma, that is problematic. Of course, given the amount of cheap prison labor available to corporate america, that may be part of a larger plan.

Everyone knows that in social services, Republicans only support the building of more prisons--including the 80% of people in prison for non-violent offenses that cost the state 30K a year. But apparently only bleeding hearts want to see some of this resolved in the community at considerably less cost to the tax payer and in programs that have been shown to decrease crime.

Edited, Jan 23rd 2008 11:28am by Annabella

This country is just screaming for a "Civil War" begging even....

mark me.. 150 years.. this place is gonna look a lot different.. rather than highways full of SUVs and H2s you're gonna see armored personal carriers and pickup trucks full of gun-toting evangelicals.

It's gonna be so exiting.

Hey, hey, hey, hey. Ease up on the Iraqis, people. Major progress occured this week: They agreed to change the look of the national flag. If that ain't progress, what is? <---Definitive proof the surge is working.

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