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#1 Jan 15 2008 at 10:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Speaking of limbless athletes...

This young fellow, Oscar Pistorius, also taggede the Bladerunner, had both legs amputated below the knees as a babe.

He now competes as a world-class runner using blade-like legs.

The Olympic Committee just decided his fake legs constitued 'aid from a mechanical device' and so ruled he'd not be allowed to compete in the Bejing Olympics.

There was some testing done to make a determination if the legs did indeed provide an advantage, but seems they were a bit inconclusive as to the extent:

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Pistorius insisted that his blades offered him no advantage. He said: “There’s been talk about the blades being bionic but this model is what we call a passive foot.

“The output energy is not as much as the input energy, so the energy you take to compress the prosthetic isn’t what it gives out, which means it definitely does not give an unfair advantage.”

Film of his race in Rome, which formed part of the research, showed, however, that, unlike able-bodied runners, he was able to cover the second half of the race much faster than the first, reaching his top speed around the final bend.

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A scientific study revealed that Pistorius, nicknamed "Blade Runner", used 25% less energy than able-bodied runners to run at the same speed.


Should he be allowed to compete in the Olympics if there is no hard evidence of the prosthetics giving an advantage?

...what about conclusive evidence?

Are Oscar's prosthetics an unfair advantage simply by virtue of being mechanical?

...or, are they part of him as much as anyone elses legs, and as long as his achievements are met through training, hard work and inate talent (versus steroids) he should have the same right to compete with other with other fully limbed athletes?






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#2 Jan 15 2008 at 10:47 AM Rating: Good
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If a scientific study proves he uses 25% less engergy then a normal-limbed person, isn't that pretty good evidence? Kudos to the dude for being able to do what he does, but it seems to me that he has an advantage over "regular" athletes.

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#3 Jan 15 2008 at 10:54 AM Rating: Good
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He can compete, but since he is only 75% of a person he should only get 75% of a medal.

And don't the cripples already have their own Olympics?
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If a scientific study proves he uses 25% less engergy then a normal-limbed person, isn't that pretty good evidence? Kudos to the dude for being able to do what he does, but it seems to me that he has an advantage over "regular" athletes.

That's over a long distance. There are lots of stories, others researchers claim Oscar is at a disadvantage at the start of the race as he can't get the same momentum off the blocks.

He does still plan on competing in the para-olympics.

Edited, Jan 15th 2008 7:55pm by Elinda
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#5 Jan 15 2008 at 10:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda, Star Breaker wrote:
He does still plan on competing in the para-olympics.
If he gets to compete in both, I do too.
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#6 Jan 15 2008 at 11:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Elinda, Star Breaker wrote:
He does still plan on competing in the para-olympics.
If he gets to compete in both, I do too.
What's your event?
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#7 Jan 15 2008 at 12:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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Joph will be competing in this classic series of events. Smiley: grin
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#8 Jan 15 2008 at 1:41 PM Rating: Decent
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“The output energy is not as much as the input energy... ...which means it definitely does not give an unfair advantage.”


I could say the same thing about my motorcycle. I'm thinking I can win a lot of gold medals if I get to use it.
#9 Jan 15 2008 at 1:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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There should be three olympic events.

1. For regular humans. ie. no performance drugs, mechanical bits, including 'blades' etc.

2. For spaks with no legs or two heads and stuff,

3. The one I would watch, the one where 'anything goes'. Drugs, blades, surgical enhancements, nuclear powered implants, augmentations of any type.

That would be fair.
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#10 Jan 15 2008 at 1:53 PM Rating: Decent
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If a scientific study proves he uses 25% less engergy then a normal-limbed person, isn't that pretty good evidence? Kudos to the dude for being able to do what he does, but it seems to me that he has an advantage over "regular" athletes.



that and the fact that he does not have to deal with the foot issue that come with running.
#11 Jan 15 2008 at 1:59 PM Rating: Decent
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The Olympic Committee just decided his fake legs constitued 'aid from a mechanical device' and so ruled he'd not be allowed to compete in the Bejing Olympics.


Good.

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#12 Jan 15 2008 at 3:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Kakar wrote:
If a scientific study proves he uses 25% less engergy then a normal-limbed person, isn't that pretty good evidence? Kudos to the dude for being able to do what he does, but it seems to me that he has an advantage over "regular" athletes.



that and the fact that he does not have to deal with the foot issue that come with running.
Nike has no need for him.
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#13 Jan 15 2008 at 3:44 PM Rating: Good
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Haven't I seen videos of able-bodied guys using those blades to run at a bajillion miles an hour and do ninja back-flips 'n Shit?

And yes - disqualify the ****.

I also want to see those whizzy wheelchair marathon dudes cope with gravel-burn when they try the NYC Marathon without their spazz-chariots.

On a serious note, Paralympics always bother me when a swimming race is between an amputee and a 4 limbed blind guy. How in the name of Little Jimmy Osmond do they work out the relative handicap?
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How in the name of Little Jimmy Osmond do they work out the relative handicap?


When the prize it more than a bah of Turkish Delight, they'll probably start worrying about it.

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How in the name of Little Jimmy Osmond do they work out the relative handicap?


When the prize it more than a bah of Turkish Delight, they'll probably start worrying about it.

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They win meddles and sponsahship dealz


I always wondered how they sold Crocs.

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#17 May 17 2008 at 6:51 AM Rating: Good
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Update!

The Olympics committees original determination was over-ruled. If Bladerunner can qualify, he can compete. Speculation is he'll make the relay team.
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#18 May 17 2008 at 9:43 AM Rating: Decent
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The Olympics committees original determination was over-ruled. If Bladerunner can qualify, he can compete. Speculation is he'll make the relay team.
Shame, mind you thats assuming he qualifies since i think his best time is 11.5secs for 100m which wouldn't get him into Alaska's relay team.

Should he: No he clearly has an advantage because his blades give more energy back than a foot would, hence the 25% less energy required to run.

Will he: of course he will it's great for publicity, but i wouldn't like to be the fifth fastest sprinter in South Africa right now.
#19 May 17 2008 at 12:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Baron von tarv wrote:
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The Olympics committees original determination was over-ruled. If Bladerunner can qualify, he can compete. Speculation is he'll make the relay team.
Shame, mind you thats assuming he qualifies since i think his best time is 11.5secs for 100m which wouldn't get him into Alaska's relay team.


"The South African also holds Paralympic world records for the 200m (21.58secs) and 100m (10.91secs)." Is that time good enough?

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Should he: No he clearly has an advantage because his blades give more energy back than a foot would, hence the 25% less energy required to run.


According to this, his blades give him significantly less energy back than a foot would.
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#20 May 17 2008 at 12:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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#21 May 17 2008 at 1:14 PM Rating: Decent
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"The South African also holds Paralympic world records for the 200m (21.58secs) and 100m (10.91secs)." Is that time good enough?
Considering that in the last Olympic games people where failing to qualify for the semi's while running sub 10.30 100m probably not no.

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Men's 100m - Round 2 summary - 21.08.04

Heat 1
1. Francis Obikwelu (Por) 9.93s - Q National Record
2. Mark Lewis-Francis (Gbr) 10.12s - Q Season Best
2. Dwight Thomas (Jam) 10.12s - Q Equal Personal Best
4. Ronald Pognon (Fra) 10.15s - q
5. Shingo Suetsugu (Jpn) 10.19s
6. Pierre Browne (Can) 10.21s
7. Churandy Martina (Aho) 10.24s
8. Andre Domingos (Bra) 10.34s

Heat 2
1. Shawn Crawford (USA) 9.89s - Q
2. Obadele Thompson (Bar) 10.12s - Q
3. Vicente de Lima (Bra) 10.26s - Q
4. Matic Osovnikar (Slv) 10.26s
5. Deji Aliu (Nig) 10.26s
6. Nicolas Macrozonaris (Can) 10.28s
7. Gennadiy Chernovol (Kaz) 10.42s
8. Idrissa Sanou (Bur) 10.43s

Heat 3
1. Justin Gatlin (USA) 9.96s - Q
2. Jason Gardener (Gbr) 10.15s - Q Equal Season Best
3. Uchenna Emedolu (Nig) 10.15s - Q
4. Nobuharu Asahara (Jpn) 10.24s
5. Yeoryios Theodoridis (Gre) 10.36s
6. Roland Nemeth (Hun) 10.38s
7. Nicconnor Alexander (Tri) 10.48s
- Eddy de Lepine (Fra) Did not start

Heat 4
1. Aziz Zakari (Gha) 10.02s - Q
2. Kim Collins (Skn) 10.05s - Q Season Best
3. Michael Frater (Jam) 10.11s - Q
4. Frank Fredericks (Nam) 10.17s
5. Joshua Ross (Aus) 10.22s Personal Best
6. Alexander Kosenkow (Ger) 10.24s
7. Andrey Yepishin (Rus) 10.29s
8. Jaysuma Saidy Ndure (Gam) 10.39s

Heat 5
1. Maurice Greene (USA) 9.93s - Q
2. Asafa Powell (Jam) 9.99s - Q
3. Leonard Myles-Mills (Gha) 10.18s - Q Season Best
4. Lukasz Chyla (Pol) 10.23s
5. Kareem Streete-Thompson (Cay) 10.24s
6. Simone Collio (Ita) 10.29s
7. Jarbas Mascarenhas (Bra) 10.30s
8. Eric Pacome N'Dri (Ivo) 10.32s
Results for 200m indicate that you need to run in the region of 20.70 to qualify for the semi finals.

So he is significantly short of Olympic standard.
#22 May 17 2008 at 1:31 PM Rating: Decent
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According to this, his blades give him significantly less energy back than a foot would.


Which, I'm willing to bet, is quite a bit more than a stump would give.

Might as well let marathoners start riding bicycles, since they don't actually provide a mechanical advantage, they just convert the energy you put out into rolling motion, minus all sorts of losses due to friction.

If he wants to run he should take off the blades, slap some Nikes on his stumps and waddle to his heart's content.
#23 May 17 2008 at 2:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, so what do you think about this?

Speedo has this new swimsuit that is more frictionless than anything else ever invented. Swimmers using is, supposedly, are making remarkable times.

The swimsuit is not available to all Olympic participants. I didn't actually read this whole article, but had heard a story awhile back about this.

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Ok, so what do you think about this?

Speedo has this new swimsuit that is more frictionless than anything else ever invented. Swimmers using is, supposedly, are making remarkable times.

The swimsuit is not available to all Olympic participants. I didn't actually read this whole article, but had heard a story awhile back about this.
If everyone can use it fine, go ahead.

Same with blades for legs bloke, if he's happy for Justin Gatlin to strap on a pair of blades for the 200m i see no objections.

Pretty sure the Olympic commitee would though.
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He does not need to use as much oxygen as the other runners, it is an advantage even with other disadvantages, just that one advantage over the others should disqualify him.
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Without going into some kind of complex engineering analysis (which can be suspect anyway), my first glance would be to assume that the biggest advantage of the blades is that he's lifting less weight on each step, and has less total mass to push.

Legs are heavy. Just sayin'
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