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#102 Jan 08 2008 at 5:16 PM Rating: Decent
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On 9 December, just eight days before Jonathan [Zito]'s death, Christopher Clunis punched a stranger in the face and then attempted to stab two schoolboys with a screwdriver. No action was taken.


Sorry to interrupt with a rational thought, but isn't this the problem?

There were warning signs. There was an assault. No action was taken, when intervention was most needed.


Was busy in meetings, but I think this bears note.


Nobby. You're arguing a case for the state taking punitive action against someone purely based on assessments of "risk factor". I've argued repeatedly and consistently that we should instead be looking at people who actually commit crimes/violence/whatever before taking such action.

Doesn't it seem the least bit odd to you that both examples you've used to support your argument involve a situation in which violence was noted but the system ignored it? Waiting until someone actually commits a criminal act works. If you actually make note of it and investigate when you see evidence of said acts. The failure in those two cases was that the state didn't act when it saw clear evidence that a crime was being committed.

You don't fix that by expanding the range of things that the state can act on. It's just an absurd reaction. It's like a hunter who keeps shooting himself in the foot buying a bigger and more powerful gun to fix the problem...
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#103 Jan 08 2008 at 5:22 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
I didn't read teh source materials because Murdoch told me not to
I repeat, in circumstances where the evidence offers nigh-certainty of extreme violence, your arguments crumble like my Calvin Kleins while watching Nexa, Flea, Samira and DF in a Gurl-on-Gurl french kissing compeition
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#104 Jan 08 2008 at 5:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nobby wrote:
gbaji wrote:
I didn't read teh source materials because Murdoch told me not to
I repeat, in circumstances where the evidence offers nigh-certainty of extreme violence, your arguments crumble like my Calvin Kleins while watching Nexa, Flea, Samira and DF in a Gurl-on-Gurl french kissing compeition


I would win as I have an exceptionally long and flexible tongue.

Nexa
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#105 Jan 08 2008 at 5:54 PM Rating: Decent
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I would win as I have an exceptionally long and flexible tongue.


I find your tactic of getting me not to post about politics all too effective.

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#106 Jan 08 2008 at 5:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Smasharoo wrote:

I would win as I have an exceptionally long and flexible tongue.


I find your tactic of getting me not to post about politics all too effective.



I hate politics and find them dull. From now on I will find new interests.

*ponder*

I think I will become interested in Formula One. Or is it Formula-1? That's with the funny skinny cars, right?

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#107 Jan 08 2008 at 5:57 PM Rating: Good
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Nexa wrote:
I would win as I have an exceptionally long and flexible tongue.
Are you calling me long in the snout?
#108 Jan 08 2008 at 5:59 PM Rating: Good
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Nexa wrote:
I would win as I have an exceptionally long and flexible tongue.
Ssssh. Give me a couple of minutes. . .

























OK. That was nice.
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#109 Jan 08 2008 at 6:01 PM Rating: Good
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Nexa wrote:
I would win as I have an exceptionally long and flexible tongue.

hmm
#110 Jan 08 2008 at 6:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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Atomicflea wrote:
Nexa wrote:
I would win as I have an exceptionally long and flexible tongue.
Are you calling me long in the snout?


You'd have me beat in the overall category with those delicate yet strong hands...you'd probably win at sensual hair tossing too if you wanted.

Nexa
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#111 Jan 08 2008 at 6:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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trickybeck wrote:
Nexa wrote:
I would win as I have an exceptionally long and flexible tongue.

hmm


huh...I wouldn't have guessed I was into bestiality, but that kinda turned me on.

Nexa

yes yes, make a smash joke, ba-dum-dum.
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#112 Jan 08 2008 at 7:18 PM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:

Doesn't it seem the least bit odd to you that both examples you've used to support your argument involve a situation in which violence was noted but the system ignored it? Waiting until someone actually commits a criminal act works. If you actually make note of it and investigate when you see evidence of said acts. The failure in those two cases was that the state didn't act when it saw clear evidence that a crime was being committed.
Did she not commit any violent acts?

Just wondering. The only real information floating about is from the young pregnant woman. Best I could come up was one mention of 'self-mutilation'. While not a crime it's certainly voilent, and may very well be 'noted'.

We don't get to see the notes.

This case may very well be on the out limits of 'reasonable' who knows. But to claim that the 'system' makes a habit of taking kids away from their parents without good cause, without some sort of documented deviant behavior, is simply bull.
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#113 Jan 08 2008 at 7:19 PM Rating: Decent
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While not a crime it's certainly voilent


Or a tattoo depending on who's filling out the paperwork.

Anyway this topic is so two hours ago.

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#114 Jan 08 2008 at 7:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Smasharoo wrote:

While not a crime it's certainly voilent


Or a tattoo depending on who's filling out the paperwork.

Anyway this topic is so two hours ago.

Two days ago, but my daughter and her bf are enjoying their last night together snuggled up on my couch watching a movie on my tv. I'm stuck getting news from the interwaves. This post keeps getting in my way.

Tattoo pssh, the real violence comes when she has to pop the kid - and then let it suck on her tender swollen boob...THE PAIN!!
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