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#52 Dec 28 2007 at 6:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Not necessarily. We've seen this before here on these boards. Kao took pictures of a boy and put the boys face on other pictures(think one of them was superwoman's body). We didn't classify that as child pornography.


Intent matters I'ld say, combining a boy's head on a superwoman's body doesn't quite qualify.


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Not really, no. You've got someone who pastes kid's heads on naked adult bodies. Looking at this critically, there is a reason the heads had to be transposed. The person looking at them wasn't getting off from the children's bodies. I would say this suggest something other or in addition to garden-variety pedophilia.


He put a child's head on a grown body, either suggesting he couldn't find a naked kid's body or he's indeed not a "standard" pedo. He might have been looking for a more adult version of the kids, it's rather odd he went to so much trouble (relatively speaking) to put those kids head's on the pictures.


#53 Dec 28 2007 at 8:28 AM Rating: Decent
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He put a child's head on a grown body, either suggesting he couldn't find a naked kid's body or he's indeed not a "standard" @#%^. He might have been looking for a more adult version of the kids, it's rather odd he went to so much trouble (relatively speaking) to put those kids head's on the pictures.

Amateur psychology is so funny because it's so completely off target almost always. Maybe he really wanted to eat the paste he used and it's all about that. Yeah, dude, paste, *****, think about it!

You people are laughable.

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#54 Dec 28 2007 at 8:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Smash, I have an honest question. Might you care to make explicit the distinction that you see between the teachers' actions and xythex's analogy to candid photos of locker room dwellers?


Consent. I'm not sure what's complicated about it. Having photos that were taken with consent and then privately manipulating them is completely distinct from taking photos without consent. I don't think the children would be harmed in either case, obviously, but the ethics of the two situations are clearly distinct.

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#55 Dec 28 2007 at 9:22 AM Rating: Decent
The Obscenity Chapter in Florida Statutes:

http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0847/ch0847.htm

I'm not going to try to wade through the entire thing, but from skimming it it doesn't look like a kid's photo on a hot chick's naked body is considered child porno. Most of the statutes are concerned with dissemination which he didn't do, and the rest don't seem to apply; though part depends on how "simulated" can be construed, vs. "actual" in some definitions.

Aside from the law I see absolutely nothing wrong with it (from an objective social point of view). This guy didn't do anyone any harm no matter how demented he personally is. Doesn't matter how realistically he merges head with body, or what gender/species/fruit he used, it's for his personal use and no one else was harmed in any way.
#56 Dec 28 2007 at 9:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Amateur psychology is so funny because it's so completely off target almost always. Maybe he really wanted to eat the paste he used and it's all about that. Yeah, dude, paste, *****, think about it!

You people are laughable.


I have my moments, I must admit!

Elementary school would be the first six grades in the US I believe? So one of the kids would have been 11 or 12 years old. Now, granted, kids these days aren't the way they used to be, but why on earth would any teacher stick that kind of picture on an adult body?

If you think what I wrote is so laughable, care to state why? Why is it so laughable to seek a not so normal motive behind a 60 year old man copying an 11 year old girl's head on an adult nude body? I doubt it's for art purposes, if the guy did it for pornographic purposes, he used an 11 year old to get to that point.

But hey, for all we know for sure, he only did it because he's terminally ill and really wanted to know how the girl would look like later in life?
#57 Dec 28 2007 at 10:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Consent. I'm not sure what's complicated about it. Having photos that were taken with consent and then privately manipulating them is completely distinct from taking photos without consent.


hmmm I was dancing around that the entire time and didn't recognize it, but now it seems stupidly simple.
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If you think what I wrote is so laughable, care to state why? Why is it so laughable to seek a not so normal motive behind a 60 year old man copying an 11 year old girl's head on an adult nude body?


I can't speak for smash, but one thing that's laughable is that the intent should not matter in any case. If he is a pedophile, then he has the wish to copulate with children as is. You can't justifiably prosecute a person for that wish. Furthermore, whether or not he had an abnormal psychological motivation does not change the quantity of pain created for the children; in this case that pain value is zero.

Edited, Dec 28th 2007 1:20pm by Pensive
#58 Dec 28 2007 at 10:28 AM Rating: Decent
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I can't speak for smash, but one thing that's laughable is that the intent should not matter in any case. If he is a pedophile, then he has the wish to copulate with children as is. You can't justifiably prosecute a person for that wish. Furthermore, whether or not he had an abnormal psychological motivation does not change the quantity of pain created for the children; in this case that pain value is zero.


That's just it imo, altering pictures of 11 year olds to fit a pornographic view of that child is more than just a wish for copulation. I'm no law expert though, so I do admit that I don't know if these pictures are to be considered child **** legally speaking, but they do imo.

The pain value for the kids is indeed zero, however should that be the only limit in cases like this?
#59 Dec 28 2007 at 11:51 AM Rating: Default
He should sue the makers of Photoshop, it's obviously their fault not his, this is America, people.
#60 Dec 28 2007 at 12:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Why is it so laughable to seek a not so normal motive behind a 60 year old man copying an 11 year old girl's head on an adult nude body? I doubt it's for art purposes, if the guy did it for pornographic purposes, he used an 11 year old to get to that point.


It's laughable because you have no context, no education, no training, and no frame of reference. Unless you can personally relate and are explaining why *you* would take the actions taken, you're just making absolutely useless, baseless random guesses.

Someone arguing that he was possessed by the devil would be making a better case.

Sorry, contrary to what you may think, your opinion or thoughts here don't carry the same value as other people's. They are utterly valueless and banal to the point of pain to read. Go back to watching "Friends" re-runs.

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For the record, the articles say he was 'Shopping the heads onto nude bodies of "young looking" adults. So I'm guessing he wasn't putting any kiddie heads onto buxom Penthouse models or anything but rather trying to create a semi-realistic image of the girls in question in the nude.
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#62 Dec 28 2007 at 12:39 PM Rating: Decent
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It's laughable because you have no context, no education, no training, and no frame of reference. Unless you can personally relate and are explaining why *you* would take the actions taken, you're just making absolutely useless, baseless random guesses.


This is actually the internet, even worse, a forum. Guesses is all we make, all the time, I'm not ignorant of that.

Some things require little training, common sense for one is such a thing.

An opinion is an opinion, I don't really need you to remind me that mine isn't as valued here as others, that's not why I give it really.

And again, a 60 year old guy glues an 11 or 12 year old girl's face on a naked body for most likely pornographic purposes. Apart from the fact that we don't know for sure it is pornographically intended, what other factors, context, education, training, frame of reference is needed exactly to suggest that there might be something sinister involved?

What exactly is your view on this?


#63 Dec 28 2007 at 1:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Apart from the fact that we don't know for sure it is pornographically intended, what other factors, context, education, training, frame of reference is needed exactly to suggest that there might be something sinister involved?


What exactly is the "sinister" motive that you see here?

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An opinion is an opinion, I don't really need you to remind me that mine isn't as valued here as others, that's not why I give it really.


An opinion is as good as the logic behind it. While it's fine to posit a hypothetical motive on the part of the teacher, in order to see what follows from it, we can't actually say what the motive is. We can only think of many different motives and then draw hypothetical conclusions from each of them, as if they were true.

Edited, Dec 28th 2007 4:35pm by Pensive
#64 Dec 28 2007 at 1:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Apart from the fact that we don't know for sure it is pornographically intended, what other factors, context, education, training, frame of reference is needed exactly to suggest that there might be something sinister involved?


What exactly is the "sinister" motive that you see here?


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An opinion is an opinion, I don't really need you to remind me that mine isn't as valued here as others, that's not why I give it really.


An opinion is as good as the logic behind it. While it's fine to posit a hypothetical motive on the part of the teacher, in order to see what follows from it, we can't actually say what the motive is. We can only think of many different motives and then draw hypothetical conclusions from each of them, as if they were true.


Sinister in seeking a way to picture those girls naked. 11 or 12 year old girls even. That's pretty sinister to me.

And yes, hypothetical conclusions is all we have here, naturally.

Edited, Dec 28th 2007 10:53pm by Zieveraar
#65 Dec 28 2007 at 3:04 PM Rating: Good
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So I'm guessing he wasn't putting any kiddie heads onto buxom Penthouse models or anything but rather trying to create a semi-realistic image of the girls in question in the nude.


I'm guessing that description was added completely arbitrarily by the reporter. Nearly all naked images of adults is of "young looking" bodies. It's a meaningless distinction.
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#66 Dec 28 2007 at 3:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Some things require little training, common sense for one is such a thing.


Shockingly I underestimated the level of your intellectual incompetence. It's rare that such a thing occurs. Kudos.
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#67 Dec 28 2007 at 3:20 PM Rating: Default
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Some things require little training, common sense for one is such a thing.

Shockingly I underestimated the level of your intellectual incompetence. It's rare that such a thing occurs. Kudos.


Actually, I'm puzzled now though, insult or not? (most likely my ineptitude of English, or just the late hour)

#68 Dec 28 2007 at 4:28 PM Rating: Good
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He put a child's head on a grown body, either suggesting he couldn't find a naked kid's body or he's indeed not a "standard" @#%^. He might have been looking for a more adult version of the kids, it's rather odd he went to so much trouble (relatively speaking) to put those kids head's on the pictures.

Amateur psychology is so funny because it's so completely off target almost always. Maybe he really wanted to eat the paste he used and it's all about that. Yeah, dude, paste, *****, think about it!

You people are laughable.

Listen to Smash.Being a lifelong headcase makes him a professional.
#69 Dec 28 2007 at 4:37 PM Rating: Good
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Sinister in seeking a way to picture those girls naked. 11 or 12 year old girls even. That's pretty sinister to me.


Go take a trip to 7chan and check out the /cake/ image boards for me.

Being a pedophile isn't illegal, it isn't even immoral from my perspective. Do you know why that is my point of view? Because unless somebody acts on their urges they have done nothing wrong.

As others have said thought crime is a stupid concept, it will only bring us many steps backwards. When a pedophile acts upon his urges or tries to that is when you are doing something illegal. When I say acts upon his urges I don't meat something like ************* I mean causing harm to something or trying to do so.

You and anybody else who thinks this is illegal is in for an abrupt awakening. It is immoral to some people sure, but that doesn't make it illegal.

Edited, Dec 28th 2007 7:39pm by Deadgye
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#70 Dec 28 2007 at 4:40 PM Rating: Good
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Deadgye wrote:
Because unless somebody acts on their urges they have done nothing wrong.
If he was fapping off to pictures of kiddies being raped, would that count? Complicity?

This case is right on the cusp of most people's morality, but whether it's legal or not is down to who pays the best lawyers.
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#71 Dec 28 2007 at 5:28 PM Rating: Good
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I read this thread title as "Pseudo Child Born".
that would have been cool

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#72 Dec 28 2007 at 5:40 PM Rating: Decent
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If he was fapping off to pictures of kiddies being raped, would that count? Complicity?


It's not really that complicated, it would count. It doesn't take anything more than common sense to realise that in order for those pictures to have been taken said children were hurt.

What I said earlier were like basic morality rules. :p Stuff that isn't so clear-cut like this of course will take more consideration, but just because it takes a little more consideration doesn't mean it's so complicated that it's super hard to make a decision with.

Morality is the only thing up for discussion in this case. Legallity shouldn't even be an issue.

Edited, Dec 28th 2007 8:41pm by Deadgye
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#73 Dec 28 2007 at 5:57 PM Rating: Decent
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I think the prosecution has a case as it has the required elements of "mens rea" in that he intended to create the pictures for kid **** use and "actus reus" that he took the pictures of the kids and pasted them on the nakey pictures.
#74 Dec 28 2007 at 6:17 PM Rating: Default
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I don't meat something like ************* Edited, Dec 28th 2007 7:39pm by Deadgye


Just to bring back Amateur Psychology, I believe you call this a freudian slip.

Edited, Dec 28th 2007 9:17pm by DaimenKain
#75 Dec 28 2007 at 7:15 PM Rating: Good
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I think the prosecution has a case as it has the required elements of "mens rea" in that he intended to create the pictures for kid **** use and "actus reus" that he took the pictures of the kids and pasted them on the nakey pictures.


I'd think his "actus rea" whatever that means is a circular argument--the end result would have to be defined as kid **** in order for him to have succeeded in his intentions. But that definition is what appears to be in doubt. Even if he succeeded in jacking off to it, he was either jacking off to the bodies (regular ****), the kid's faces (not ****), or the combination in his mind (mental ****?). Once again btw: http://www.flsenate.gov/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0847/ch0847.htm
#76 Dec 28 2007 at 8:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Being that the pictures, if believable, had the potential of harming the victims, and he obviously wasn't taking great pains to secure them by leaving them in his briefcase, in his office, in a public building, his negligance was likely to result in the disemination of the material. If I drive down the freeway drunk I still get a ticket, even if no one gets hurt, regardless of what my intentions are. I'm pretty sure the state has a decent case.

As far as my "totalitarian feelings" go. I hope he spends a considerable time in jail, and then my God smites him. Stick that in your critically thinking ethical constitution and vote on it!

Edited, Dec 28th 2007 11:38pm by xythex
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