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#52 Dec 18 2007 at 3:10 PM Rating: Decent
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It's rare when someone makes Gbaji's posts look cogent.

That's just not fair. Shadowrelm has at least a few hundred posts, right?

EDIT: Apparently shadowrelm isn't spelled like one would think an intelligent person would spell the words. Irony?

Edited, Dec 18th 2007 5:11pm by MoebiusLord
#53 Dec 19 2007 at 9:36 PM Rating: Decent
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It's idiotic to restate what more intellegent posters have said before, but I'll convey my thoughts as best I can.


As much as I believe some people should die, I can't bring myself to openly condemn someone, what if this was an innocent? A Father, brother, son, daughter, sister, or mother who are ripped from their families for a crime they didn't commit. Until the day comes that we can read people's memory (HA!). I could never agree to death.


On the same hand life in prison still rips them from their families, but at least they find hope in at least their loved ones aren't dead.

I know, its a cop out, I can't be for either. I would love to kill child molestors. But not some random person who just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

I think in the end its more important to refine the science behind catching criminals before judging if they should die.

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#54 Dec 19 2007 at 11:23 PM Rating: Decent
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I agree that deterrence is really limited to the recipient of the execution.

Criminals never think they're going to get caught. If they did, I'd buy the deterrence argument.


True, after thinkin' about it more, the death penalty is more a case of retribution for the victim's loved ones rather than a penalty/deterrent for the accused. One can't sit and contemplate their actions and learn to feel remorse when they're dead.

Probably falls into two categories, people of God that believe the accused should die so they may go to hell for their sins, and vengeful people that feel they've personally been wronged somehow by the crime and demand retribution, maybe even a third category, the scared, they're so deathly afraid of such a crime happening to them they can't rest until they're sure anybody that would commit such a heinous crime is put to death, which in turn gives them a more secure false sense of security in the world.
#55 Dec 20 2007 at 3:12 AM Rating: Excellent
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malee wrote:

Probably falls into two categories, people of God that believe the accused should die so they may go to hell for their sins


Well I doubt this. All they'd have to do is ask forgiveness, right? Bygones?

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#56 Dec 20 2007 at 3:42 AM Rating: Decent
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kanidana wrote:
two posts of blah blah blah...


Wow. That is some of the most self-important wannabe intellectualism I think I've ever encountered. The use of quasi-scholastic language and vague attempts at philosophy were especially a nice touch.

#57 Dec 20 2007 at 5:57 AM Rating: Decent
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malee wrote:
Samira wrote:
I agree that deterrence is really limited to the recipient of the execution.

Criminals never think they're going to get caught. If they did, I'd buy the deterrence argument.


True, after thinkin' about it more, the death penalty is more a case of retribution for the victim's loved ones rather than a penalty/deterrent for the accused. One can't sit and contemplate their actions and learn to feel remorse when they're dead.

Probably falls into two categories, people of God that believe the accused should die so they may go to hell for their sins, and vengeful people that feel they've personally been wronged somehow by the crime and demand retribution, maybe even a third category, the scared, they're so deathly afraid of such a crime happening to them they can't rest until they're sure anybody that would commit such a heinous crime is put to death, which in turn gives them a more secure false sense of security in the world.


I think your second and third points are closer to the mark. Vengeance and fear are compelling emotions, and people tend to cling to their security blankets with an iron grip no matter how filthy and tattered those blankets really are.
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#58 Dec 21 2007 at 12:14 AM Rating: Decent
Nexa wrote:
malee wrote:

Probably falls into two categories, people of God that believe the accused should die so they may go to hell for their sins


Well I doubt this. All they'd have to do is ask forgiveness, right? Bygones?

Nexa


Well, seeing past the fact that you're most likely just making a funny, if you wanna get all technical about it; no. True forgiveness, so they say, only happens when the sinner is truly sorry for their sins, and then asks for forgiveness. Not just when they say they're sorry, and there are some crimes that you can't ask forgiveness for if I recall correctly. Child Molestation and various other really ****** things to do to other human beings, as well as forsaking Jesus/God I believe.

/shrug

Plus, getting even more technical about it, asking for forgiveness only saves your soul, it has no bearing on what punishment your worldly self receives, only on where your soul will end up with such a punishment is administered.

So they say...
#59 Dec 21 2007 at 12:21 AM Rating: Decent
Samira wrote:


I think your second and third points are closer to the mark. Vengeance and fear are compelling emotions, and people tend to cling to their security blankets with an iron grip no matter how filthy and tattered those blankets really are.


Yeah, probably. Funny how most don't realize how Vengeance and Fear are two pretty common motivators of the very crimes we're speaking of. It must be that emotion is not the culprit, but rather the logic that determines what sort of action should be committed upon having such an emotion. I'll get angry and just deal with it, while another might get angry and murder. You insult me and I'll insult you back, while another person might just punch you in the face. Too many people don't realize how many different scenarios can spring for the littlest of actions. Except for maybe the writer of Butterfly Effect.
#60 Dec 22 2007 at 11:42 AM Rating: Default
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Child Molestation and various other really sh*tty things to do to other human beings, as well as forsaking Jesus/God I believe.
Wait... are you saying people forsaking Jesus/God should get the chair?
#61 Dec 22 2007 at 1:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Yanari wrote:
somenoob wrote:
Child Molestation and various other really sh*tty things to do to other human beings, as well as forsaking Jesus/God I believe.
Wait... are you saying people forsaking Jesus/God should get the chair?


No, he's completely fUcked up the concept of what is and isn't an allegedly unforgivable sin.


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#62 Dec 29 2007 at 10:39 AM Rating: Decent
Samira wrote:
Yanari wrote:
somenoob wrote:
Child Molestation and various other really sh*tty things to do to other human beings, as well as forsaking Jesus/God I believe.
Wait... are you saying people forsaking Jesus/God should get the chair?


No, he's completely fUcked up the concept of what is and isn't an allegedly unforgivable sin.




Yeah, I never claimed to know exactly what is and isn't "unforgivable" to El Gran Jefe, plus even if I did memorize such a list, it'd only be viable for one religion/sect/etc. When you quote just that part of my text sure it seems like I was implying that, but simply reading a bit before it should clear things up substantially.

My Grandma always told me that if a scary clown-faced woman can understand your text, then you were probably descriptive enough.

#63 Dec 29 2007 at 10:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, a cursory examination of the matter will reveal that in most Christian theologies there is only one unforgivable sin, and that is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit - that is, a rejection of God.

Catholicism has expanded on that idea and listed several sub-sins, if you will, that denote said rejection: despair, impenitence, etc. In context I would be inclined to call these symptoms, not separate sins.

It isn't as complicated as you seemed to imply.
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#64 Dec 29 2007 at 9:25 PM Rating: Decent
Samira wrote:
Well, a cursory examination of the matter will reveal that in most Christian theologies there is only one unforgivable sin, and that is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit - that is, a rejection of God.

Catholicism has expanded on that idea and listed several sub-sins, if you will, that denote said rejection: despair, impenitence, etc. In context I would be inclined to call these symptoms, not separate sins.

It isn't as complicated as you seemed to imply.


What if you commit said blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, but then change your mind? Is it if you feel that way, act that way, speak that way, or all of the above? Can you speak that way, but actually love the Holy Spirit in your heart and be ok? Or is it like 'jokingly' mentioning around secret service that you'd like to kill the president?

Blaspheming minds want to know!
#65 Dec 30 2007 at 3:58 AM Rating: Decent
Apparently even suicide isn't seen as unforgivable by some Christians. Still, being raised a Catholic, I'ld say that's pretty much heresy! If I still cared about such things anyway.



As for the death penalty, I'm not a fan of it mostly because of the possibility for mistakes. Although I'ld like to believe that at least the majority of people dying, is actually guilty, there's still the odds that some aren't.

On the other hand, it's more humane than putting someone behind bars for the rest of their lives without any chance of ever getting out. Some favour life sentences that actually mean life, but that's pretty cruel. Say a 20 year old gets life, remains in a cell for about 40 years or more.
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