Okay, let's talk about JoiseyFollow

I can't think of any positive that offsets the irrevocable nature of capital punishment, given the miscarriages of justice we see in most judicial systems.

For murder, rape etc., life to mean life works.

As for the 'deterrent' argument, I don't accept it. Very few murders or rapes are balanced judgements based on a weighing up of the pros and cons.

I personally don't like the death penalty for a lot of the same reasons. I think the should have punishment match the crime. For instance some perv is convicted of child molestation, he should be put in a general population prison and allowed to be raped and beaten by inmates until he either dies or kills himself. Eye for an Eye

I do not care that the death penalty is an ineffective deterrent to future crime.
I do not care that the death penalty is a barbaric practice.
I do not care that the death penalty is expensive.
I do not care that the death penalty is sometimes applied "incorrectly".
I do not care that the death penalty is sometimes opposed by victims' families.

I do not care that the death penalty has such a large array of detractors, from individuals to organizations to government bodies.

There are offenses the commitment of demonstrates a total lack of the ability to exist in society. These offenses require that the offender be shuffled loose the mortal coil.

There are people their continued pursuit of illicit activities and complete lack of rehabilitation deserving neither our compassion or understanding. These people require being shuffled loose the mortal coil.

Civility goes too far in modern society. Just as we now decry the use of force where appropriate on a global scale, and ignore affronts to the common good, our collectively over-developed "get along" mentality demonstrates in bold colors that we are losing daily that which has gotten us where we are.

I would entirely agree with the above, except for the number of "Oops - Wrong guy! Can we undead him now?" incidents.

I like this idea. That way, if I'm caught vandalizing, the state will come by and spraypaint "ILLINOIZE 4EVER!!!" on the side of my garage. Or, if I'm caught jaywalking, the state will hire some dude to randomly cross my hallway from the kitchen to the front room every time I'm trying to walk down to the bathroom.

Why is that a lame argument?

Ah. But of course increasing "efficiency" would also increase the number of innocents put to death on the altar of societal vengeance, yes?

Not necessarily. I think it depends on your definition of "is".

My father used to tell me if I didn't do what I was being punished for, apply it to something I didn't get caught for and call it even. As a general rule, I am ok with the suggestion that you generally don't get caught up for nothing.

Of course, tempering your opinion of my thinking should also be the fact that I don't have any issue with expanding the list of crimes that apply, either. Grand theft? See ya. Doctoring the books at your Fortune 500 company so you get rich and your employees lose their retirement? Buh-bye. Rape? Shut up and put your neck in the noose.

I just can't get past the godlike-complex that's required to pass a death sentence on another human being.

I may very well feel like a particular individuals grevious deeds are worthy of death...but who am I to decide?

Ooh nasty cop-out.

In a democracy we elect people to make decisions on our behalf. By doing so we share responsibility for those decisions.

And in a juror-based system like most of the West, we have jury service. I might not agree with the death penalty, but in terms of jurisprudence, we all need the courage to judge.

And when it comes to rape, 2 bricks are effective and very in-expensive, and as they're re-usable, environmentally friendly :-)

I do not believe in the ability of the criminal justice system in America to do an effective job of punishing people who commit violent crimes. I would endeavor to do all I could to save the state the time and trouble.

It's very workable and eliminates repeat offenders. As for the state being an accomplice, it's already been documented that they have allowed rape to occur as a means of crown control. The predators get to act out their aggression on inmates instead of guards and the ******* are too afraid to act up and cause trouble.

I didn't actually mean it would be officially set up as an ***-raper prison; it would be a kind of look the other way policy. They way it is now certain inmates are isolated for their protection. Protection they don’t deserve. To me it's only morally objectionable if you sympathize with molesters and rapists. Those types of people can’t be rehabilitated and it’s a waste of effort/time/money to try. It’s cruel, it’s harsh but the system we have currently doesn’t work.

**** you, some crimes call for drastic punishment...what would you suggest?