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#1 Dec 14 2007 at 10:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Note: This post will be very long and very detailed, so brace yourself. And it might offend some people.


Just to start this thread off, let me first say that I am an Atheist, I am not against God, my family is just made up of Atheists. And that's how I was raised. However I actually did do research in a time of where I was confused, but in the end I stuck with Atheism, it was my choice, not just because I was brought up that way.

Anyways.. so I am 16 years old and attend a public highschool [insert rant here], and in public schools, religion isn't supposed to be taught.

Now to the main story. So I walked into class one day, whipped out my binder and pen, opened up the binder and waited until the class settled down. The teacher usually starts off with some questions that are related to the day's lesson. Today she asked, "If you don't believe in God, raise your hand".

I looked around the classroom, and nobody was raising their hand. I hesitated for a second at the thought of becoming an outcast from my classmates, but after thinking about being true to myself, I raised my hand. The students that I can see out of the corner of my eyes were staring blankly at me. Finally, the awkward moment was over, but not for long. As the teacher turned around to begin writing the aim (the goal of the day's lesson) on the chalkboard, a student next to me asked "Why don't you believe in God? What's wrong with you?".

I looked at him for a moment, trying to pick my words wisely. I then said " I don't believe in God because it's my choice, and you shouldn't be concerned with my lifestyle, we hardly know eachother. And there's nothing wrong with me, I'm normal just like you, but I have a different perspective of God than you do." I never really liked him anyway, so I didn't really care about how I treated him or what he thought of me. A few other students eavesdropped (I don't know how to spell it, my apologies), and my face did fell hot for a second because people were looking at me, and I didn't like this because I'm not a big fan of being in the center of attention. But after a couple of moments, the tension subsided and I felt normal again.

So I read what the aim said and it was something about the Crusades. I knew what the Crusades were, in fact, I could've taught the class on what the Crusades were. It's going to be an easy day, but an interesting one on what my teacher had to say about the Crusades.

To skip a bunch of unimportant things, we progressed through the lesson easily, without any troubles, just like any other normal day. But then the teacher started asking some questions that kind of shocked me because she was asking these questions in a public school. She asked "Who created this Earth?". A student answered "God", and she told him he was correct. I simply stared at the teacher, wondering if she knew where she was teaching, and the fact that God creating the universe is just a belief, not a fact.Although it could possibly be a fact, I don't know, but at the era in our time, it's a belief, not a fact, and school teaches facts, not beliefs. She then asked "What happens if you are bad?". Another student answered "You go to hell", and told im he was correct. At this point I was a bit angry at the fact that she was disrespecting my beliefs, so I thought I'd give her a taste of her own medicine. So she asks the class, "Who is responsible for being the way we are today?". This was a perfect question for me to get my revenge on. I didn't even raise my hand, with all the anger boiling inside of me, my opinion had to be said, I just called out...

"Charles Darwin is responsible, but not for the way we are today, but discovering evolution as the reason for the way we are today, and I think he's correct."

Me and the teacher stared at eachother for what seemed like a very, very long time, as well as the students around me, all of them, staring at me. After a long time of silence, she asks me, "Can you prove any trace of evidence of evolution to the class?" I was expecting this question, and I immediately blurted out "Teamwork".

Once again, another long period of silence, but I wasn't staring at her anymore, I was just staring at my paper full of her beliefs and her religion. After the silence, my teacher then kept on asking the class questions, as if nothing had just happened. I stood silent for the rest of the day. But I did copy my notes because I knew I was going to need to study them for her test.

Finally the bell rang, and I thought I was lucky to come out of that classroom alive. But just as I was walking out of the classroom door, she called me over to her, and I came, and she told me to wait until the rest of the class left. She told me "I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't tell lies to the classroom anymore". I just kept on staring at the floor, I wasn't even going to waste time retaliating. "Let me teach my class the way I want to teach it, and you just stay silent if you disagree with what I am teaching. There was no need for your rudeness." I responded with "I didn't sign up for Catholic school". One last moment of silence, then she said "You are dismissed."

So History class didn't go as smoothly as planned, but at least I left knowing that I put my foot down and didn't act like a man with no pride in what he believes in.

Hopefully next monday will be better.

#2 Dec 14 2007 at 10:23 PM Rating: Default
That would have angered me too, but I would have said "Believe in God? Which one?" instead lol... seriously atheists just believe in one less god of the... thousands that there are? And just support your right to your religious/non-religious beliefs with the 1st amendment.
#3 Dec 14 2007 at 10:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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#4 Dec 14 2007 at 10:25 PM Rating: Default
As will the 70% of the inhabitants of this planet ("-.-)...

(you ARE being sarcastic right?)
#5 Dec 14 2007 at 10:31 PM Rating: Default
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Even if this story weren't composed like a piece of extremely badly-written fiction, We still wouldn't care.

Edited, Dec 14th 2007 10:31pm by Ambrya
#6 Dec 14 2007 at 10:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Even if this story weren't composed like a piece of extremely badly-written fiction, We still wouldn't care.


All criticism(?) is appreciated.
#7 Dec 15 2007 at 3:54 AM Rating: Decent
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UnkemptSuperman the Silent wrote:
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Even if this story weren't composed like a piece of extremely badly-written fiction, We still wouldn't care.


All criticism(?) is appreciated.


Okay then, your "story" basically reads like something that happened in the overly-active imagination of a bored kid sitting in class WISHING something interesting would happen, something where he could be come over all badass, talking back to his teacher and flaunting his imaginary "non-conformity" before the whole class, who of course react in surprise and reject the "non-conformist" for his being different.

While I'm sure incidences where teachers and students conflict over religion/evolution exist, the incident you describe here never happened. The characters are all simplistic and come straight out of the cookie-cutter, starring yourself as a textbook overly-idealized Mary Sue. The dialogue is trite and contrived, and your title pretty much gives it away, when you say it happened "today" and then in your story state that this happened "one day." That's assuming we even had to look that far to figure out it's fake, because any high school teacher that asks an elementary-schoolish question such as "what happens when you are bad" is obviously a fictional character.

The incident never happened. You made it up. And even if you didn't make it up (in your juvenile, and ham-handed prose) We still wouldn't care.
#8 Dec 15 2007 at 4:02 AM Rating: Decent
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ninja rate up for Ambrya.

You saw nothing.
#9 Dec 15 2007 at 4:29 AM Rating: Good
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Wow, Ambrya is dedicated. I stopped reading at:

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#10 Dec 15 2007 at 4:50 AM Rating: Excellent
I actually have to give Kudos to the teacher for NOT teaching directly from the textbook. That's a rarity in most history classes nowadays.

And honestly, if this did happen, talk to your parents about it and let them raise hell with the schoolboard.
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#11 Dec 15 2007 at 5:59 AM Rating: Good
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Wow, Ambrya is dedicated. I stopped reading at:

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I made it to "This post will be very long and detailed..."

I don't have that kind of time to waste anymore.
#12 Dec 15 2007 at 8:55 AM Rating: Good
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Go get the teacher fired. Smiley: lol It's illegal to teach religion like that in a public school iirc.
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#13 Dec 15 2007 at 9:25 AM Rating: Decent
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I made it to "This post will be very long and detailed..."

I don't have that kind of time to waste anymore.


Well I had to be fair and tell you guys what was coming up.

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Go get the teacher fired. Smiley: lol It's illegal to teach religion like that in a public school iirc.


Well if she continues on Monday, I'll tell my mom what's up and ask her for any advice on what I should do about the situation.

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Okay then, your "story" basically reads like something that happened in the overly-active imagination of a bored kid sitting in class WISHING something interesting would happen, something where he could be come over all badass, talking back to his teacher and flaunting his imaginary "non-conformity" before the whole class, who of course react in surprise and reject the "non-conformist" for his being different.

While I'm sure incidences where teachers and students conflict over religion/evolution exist, the incident you describe here never happened. The characters are all simplistic and come straight out of the cookie-cutter, starring yourself as a textbook overly-idealized Mary Sue. The dialogue is trite and contrived, and your title pretty much gives it away, when you say it happened "today" and then in your story state that this happened "one day." That's assuming we even had to look that far to figure out it's fake, because any high school teacher that asks an elementary-schoolish question such as "what happens when you are bad" is obviously a fictional character.

The incident never happened. You made it up. And even if you didn't make it up (in your juvenile, and ham-handed prose) We still wouldn't care



I wouldn't make up a story like that, and I'm not going to argue on trying to prove that it's correct. You've wasted your time analyzing the story to come up with such a comment about it, which turns out to be false.

And yeah, everyday I DO wish something to happen, it's history class dangit, it's always going to be boring, but that doesn't mean that I'd make up a story about it. It means I'm going to try to make the story as interesting as it can be, to my personal satisfaction, and then post it.

Smiley: glare



#14 Dec 15 2007 at 9:27 AM Rating: Good
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Still less awesome than the time Father Dorge came into our grade seven class and called the kids desperately trying to emulate vedder and cobain by growing grungy shoulder length hair a 'bunch of f'aggot long hairs'. But it was an RC school, so they were allowed to do that right?

I'd like to say that it was attending an RC school from JK to grade 13 that sparked my interest in anthropology and the science behind evolution and culture but it was a pretty girl.

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#15 Dec 15 2007 at 10:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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You were expecting to be asked about evolution and you responded with "Teamwork" as your evidence?
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#16 Dec 15 2007 at 10:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Jesus fucking christ, I would have shit a brick in that class. I commend your composure.
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#17 Dec 15 2007 at 11:02 AM Rating: Good
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She told me "I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't tell lies to the classroom anymore".


Stab her in the face and burn the school down.

I don't believe your ******** story ever occurred. Not for a picosecond.

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#18 Dec 15 2007 at 11:29 AM Rating: Decent
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You were expecting to be asked about evolution and you responded with "Teamwork" as your evidence?


Yeah, or in other words, conformity.

Explanation:Conformity is those who become part of a collective or more successful group in confrontation, because their numbers give them an advantage over a solitary human. Thye breed more successfuly because they're part of groups that contain larger numbers of the opposite sex to choose from. They live more successfully because more can be achieved working in a team. Groups are successful, groups are in our nature, groups are an evolutionary advantage.

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Stab her in the face and burn the school down.

I don't believe your bullsh*t story ever occurred. Not for a picosecond.


Then so be it. But like it or not, she did say that, I guess as to tell me to not tell my classmates what I think is true, but to her as foolish lies. And if the students did believe my 'lies', then they would fail her tests.

Edited, Dec 15th 2007 2:33pm by UnkemptSuperman
#19 Dec 15 2007 at 11:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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You should bring a tape recorder to class and secretly tape the teacher preaching her religion during class. Then make a formal complaint and when she denied ever saying anything that you tell the various school officials, pull a Matthew LaClair on them.

Then the locals may rant about how you are just looking for attention on some local board. Just hope Bryan doesn't show up. He's the gbaji of the Kerry on the Web site.

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#20 Dec 15 2007 at 11:37 AM Rating: Decent
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You should bring a tape recorder to class and secretly tape the teacher preaching her religion during class. Then make a formal complaint and when she denied ever saying anything that you tell the various school officials, pull a Matthew LaClair on them.

Then the locals may rant about how you are just looking for attention on some local board. Just hope Bryan doesn't show up. He's the gbaji of the Kerry on the Web site.


I'd rather not... and grats on 1400. Smiley: yippee
#21 Dec 15 2007 at 1:51 PM Rating: Decent
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You should bring a tape recorder to class
My preference would be for him/her/it to just fUck off and stop dumping teen-angsty verbal diarrhoea into the forum.

Posts from cUnts like this make me wonder if we should reserve edjamacashun for people with a modicum of personality.
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#22 Dec 15 2007 at 2:23 PM Rating: Good
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Posts from ***** like this make me wonder if we should reserve edjamacashun for people with a modicum of personality.

What on earth are you ever going to do with 3 PhD.s?
#23 Dec 15 2007 at 2:28 PM Rating: Good
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Posts from @#%^s like this make me wonder if we should reserve edjamacashun for people with a modicum of personality.

What on earth are you ever going to do with 3 PhD.s?
A fine point, well put, Dr Moe
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The opposite happened to me once in Biology. My teacher, a real ********* started a section on evolution by slandering ID and creationism and generally insulting anyone who had any religious leanings. The class almost stampeded for the door when I pointed out that he's not allowed to discuss religion like that, especially in a science class. Which may or may not have been true at the time, but my classmates didn't need much impetus to stampede.

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That would have angered me too, but I would have said "Believe in God? Which one?" instead lol... seriously atheists just believe in one less god of the... thousands that there are? And just support your right to your religious/non-religious beliefs with the 1st amendment.

Well, among the major religions they all worship the same God, just different aspects, in different ways. God is Allah is Brahman is Yahweh.
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#25 Dec 15 2007 at 3:28 PM Rating: Decent
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You stood up for your beliefs. Kudos for not following the rest of the herd and being an individual.
#26 Dec 15 2007 at 3:41 PM Rating: Decent
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You stood up for your beliefs. Kudos for not following the rest of the herd and being an individual.
No, he chose the wrong battlefield to pick a fight.

Being right only counts if you have the brains to know when to stand up and when to keep quiet.

He is an naive idiot.
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