Irans Nukes.Follow

Well, at least we hadn't invaded them yet.

No. Where did you get the idea that I was ok with it?

I don't think anyone should have nuclear weapons or, until someone figures out some of the safety concerns, nuclear power. I certainly don't think anyone should be hiding their nukes , and I especially don't think anyone should be using nukes. In any shape or form. ([red]Not safe for sensitive constitutions[/rd])


And just for the record, I'm also not 'ok' with dishonest dimwits like Bush and Co, using their lies and half-truths, to whip up a frenzy of distrust, ignorance and hatred, using phrases such as 'WWIII', and 'mushroom cloud over NY', when it is patently a load of bollox.

The crazy thing is, the last time most of us in the 'west' met a muslim, was when he was fixing your broken arm, or removing your appendix in your local hospital. Yet so many people are willing to believe that every last one of them should be incinerated on an industrial scale using the very WMD's that we are supposed to be 'saving' us from, for looking different than 'us'.

Why do you hate Israel?

Since I don't think anyone from China or India is gonna chime in, Old Europe is gonna have to do.

The problem is with the system we have in place:

The methods and mechanisms attached to the NPT to monitor weapon development and prevent the spread of nuclear technology, is totally indequate. The hypocrisy of having certain countries as "unofficial uclear countries". The lack of nuclear ******* reduction by Western countries. And, obviously, the spread of nuclear material from Russia and ex-soviet republics, as seen recently with this story.

The framework we have in place is totally inadequate. The logic behind it is 60 years old, and does not even remotely reflect the political landscape today. It's a a sham.

In many ways, Iran doesn't matter at this point. They are just the symptom of our broken NPT system. If it wasn't Iran, and it would be Lybia, Yemen, Syria, Myanmar... Not only that, but everyone knows that, in all likelihood, the next nuke won't be sent by a country, but by a terrorist group.

Which brings us back to the *system*. Attacking Iran is like saying the red is evil because fire burns. It's missing the point entirely. We have no idea how to deal with nuclear material and nuclear proliferation in such an open and fluid world. Not only that, but we refuse to even admit there is a fundemantal problem, and choose instead to fall back on those comforting notions of "good and evil".

It's stupid, weak, counter-productive. Like spitting into the wind. And that's before you take into account Russia's transformation, Pakistan instability, and the constant danger of Western-backed dictators (Mubarrak, the Sauds, Bouteflika, etc..) being overthrown.

You'd think, for once, on such an important topic, we wouldn't wait until the bombs goes off before we address the fundemantals of the problem. But we will. We'll stand there with our diCk in our hand trying to pretend its just a problem of "rogue states", and that we can bully countries into submission.

Iran is just a symptom. We need a completely new framework, new safeguards, new incentives, new commitments. A real renewed effort to put the most dangerous weapons on the planet under control, whilst allowing countries to enjoy the benefits of peaceful nuclear power.

And it would be awesome if we didn't have to wait for 2 million people to burn in agony before doing so.

But I'm not holding my breath

I love when Moe gets to be the US spokesperson.




Edited, Dec 5th 2007 3:04pm by Elinda

Too much to read, European Gbaji. Bullet points, 3 of them (no more, no less), and some suggestions that don't require world consensus. Until then We'll keep our guns, thank you very much.

Better me than Shadowrealm.

It was rigged. There's no way I am shaving my *** just for a thong.

I said I wasn't shaving it for a thong. If its because you don't like hair in your nose, I'll wax that sucker silly.

Damned with faint praise.

I feel bad for anyone who thought that after the release of this new intelligence, Bush wouldn't stay the course.

If you are one of those people, My Name is Dr. Clement Okon from Nigeria, & I've got a business transaction I need your help with. Give me your bank account # and I'll give you 2 million USD...

Hmm. Tricky one.

Long shot, but when your intelligence services confirm that a state does not have an active "Nucular" Armament programme, you acknowledge it.

That said, it's far easier to make statements about what 'might be'.

"I can confirm that there is no evidence that the USA currently plans to anally rape all left-handed people and boil every 1st-born child in chilli-oil, but of course, I cannot rule out that they may do so in the future."

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I see Moe has found a new debating technique. All it requires is a couple fingers for your ears and the ability to chant "LALALALALA" really loud.

I don't debate. I can engage in rational discussions when they arise, but they are few and far between here. For the purposes of this particular thread, the position I have taken is pretty appropriate.

That sort of thing, yep.

But imitation ain't the real thing. When we could afford to buy the bits of the planet we wanted, we walked in and took them.

This namby-pamby "Let's say bad things about brown people's countries" is not so much the ****-of-the-yard; more like the school bully stealing candy from the spotty fat kids.