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#1 Oct 26 2007 at 7:55 AM Rating: Decent
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People think that because they are grieving they are automaticly experts.

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Mr Knight has spent more than 13 months investigating what caused his son's plane to crash.

He claimed he has internal RAF emails detailing unsafe aircraft.

Mr Knight, from Bridgwater, said: "The more I have dug, the deeper the conspiracy gets - essentially, I think the major failures have been down to communication problems.



Sometimes it's best if people don't make comment about things that they have absolutely NO KNOWLAGE ABOUT AT ALL!!

He clearly has no understanding about the lengthy and extencive processes involved in putting an aircraft in the sky, every single item put into an aircraft is logged and all work is double checked by a supervisor and check tested before the airframe is placed "On the Line".

There is no possible way that the problem occured before the aircraft took off as every inch of the airframe is checked between flights and if the problem was known it would been on the standard preflight and post flight checks.

Flight safety is of the UTMOST importance to everyone on a Air squadron, corners are NOT cut on this.

I heard the rest of his statement which outlined that "Item where in such short supply items where taken from another aircraft"

This happens EVERY day, on the Squadron i'm on we 9 airframes, 1 is in deep maintainence or "MU" at all times and if the active airframes develop a fault that reuires replacing NOW!! they take item of the "MU" airframe as it isn't going to be flying for at least a week.

That gives the Logs guys time to get the replacement on unit while not effecting Operational tasking.
#2 Oct 26 2007 at 8:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Oh, military procedure. Why must you be so boring?
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#3 Oct 26 2007 at 8:43 AM Rating: Good
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Baron von tarv wrote:
People think that because they are grieving they are automaticly experts.

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Mr Knight has spent more than 13 months investigating what caused his son's plane to crash.

He claimed he has internal RAF emails detailing unsafe aircraft.

Mr Knight, from Bridgwater, said: "The more I have dug, the deeper the conspiracy gets - essentially, I think the major failures have been down to communication problems.



Sometimes it's best if people don't make comment about things that they have absolutely NO KNOWLAGE ABOUT AT ALL!!

He clearly has no understanding about the lengthy and extencive processes involved in putting an aircraft in the sky, every single item put into an aircraft is logged and all work is double checked by a supervisor and check tested before the airframe is placed "On the Line".

There is no possible way that the problem occured before the aircraft took off as every inch of the airframe is checked between flights and if the problem was known it would been on the standard preflight and post flight checks.


I'll certainly agree with you that this guy is hardly an expert, and he should leave the investigation to the board of inquiry. If there is fault, they'll likely find it and stomp on the offenders. At least, that is what the USAF would do, and I'm sure the Brits would do the same. I'd disagree with your statement that there's no possible way it couldn't have been missed. Crew chiefs have a standard inspection checklist they have to go through, and they keep an eye out for anything that could pose a problem. Without knowing exactly what caused the incident it's a little premature to say there was no fault and no possibility of one.

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Flight safety is of the UTMOST importance to everyone on a Air squadron, corners are NOT cut on this.

I heard the rest of his statement which outlined that "Item where in such short supply items where taken from another aircraft"

This happens EVERY day, on the Squadron i'm on we 9 airframes, 1 is in deep maintainence or "MU" at all times and if the active airframes develop a fault that reuires replacing NOW!! they take item of the "MU" airframe as it isn't going to be flying for at least a week.t.

That gives the Logs guys time to get the replacement on unit while not effecting Operational tasking.


Agreed. And cannibalization is a common practice. It's certainly not preferred, but it's done when a part is needed and it's a choice between meeting the flight needs and grounding an aircraft.
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#4 Oct 26 2007 at 2:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Baron von tarv wrote:


... every single item put into an aircraft is logged and all work is double checked by a supervisor and check tested before the airframe is placed "On the Line".

There is no possible way that the problem occured before the aircraft took off as every inch of the airframe is checked between flights and if the problem was known it would been on the standard preflight and post flight checks.

Flight safety is of the UTMOST importance to everyone on a Air squadron, corners are NOT cut on this.



Correction... every single item put into an aircraft is SUPPOSED to be logged and all work is SUPPOSED to be double checked by a supervisor and SUPPOSED to be check tested before the airframe is placed on the line.

Now, I'm not suggesting that any such corners were cut in this particular case, but having witnessed first hand instances in which such logs were falsified after the proper procedures were not used, I can assure you that they do in fact happen, and probably happen a lot more frequently than anyone suspects.
#5 Oct 26 2007 at 2:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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Deathwysh wrote:
but having witnessed first hand instances in which such logs were falsified after the proper procedures were not used, I can assure you that they do in fact happen, and probably happen a lot more frequently than anyone suspects.


and then, poor, well-intentioned girls have to be jettisoned in to space. It's a harsh world we live in.

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