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#1 Oct 22 2007 at 6:27 AM Rating: Good
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Gbaji, looks like your mother's area has most likely been evacuated, so happy thoughts for you guys.

My neighboorhood has not been considered one of the evacuation areas yet. Tierrasanta was evacuated a few years ago. But I'm packed up and ready to go!

Kids are pissed because their school district remained opened and so they got to get their edjumacashun today.
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Not to make light of the situation, but this paragraph in the news this morning made me grin:

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Hundreds of patients were being evacuated Monday from a hospital and nursing homes in the path of one of more than a dozen wildfires engulfing the region, killing one person, injuring dozens of others and forcing tens of thousands to flee.


Doesn't that read as though the evacuation of nursing homes killed a person and caused tens of thousands to flee?
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I'm packed up and ready to go!


I'm sorry Christine, but this just made me Smiley: lol. Now when I see you next month I can ask if you've unpacked from the move and from the fires.

Please stay safe!!
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Actually, the funny thing is that my mom's place is actually East of the fires this time (by just a tiny bit). The big one is along the 78, somewhat west of the 67. She technically lives west of the 67, but just a tiny bit. As far as I know, she's ok (barring more fires). The winds are blowing at a ridiculous rate westward (which for those not from the area is backwards, and is called a Santa Ana and it brings a hot wind off the desert instead of a cool breeze off the ocean).

Oddly enough, I checked the news about an hour ago and *I'm* in the evacuation area. Hopefully not due to actual fire though, since that would require burning through about 20 miles of densely packed homes to get to me. Presumably, it's because of the smoke. I'm right along the corridor for all the smoke from the big fire. Funny thing is that it was super bad yesterday, but when I turned on the news, all that was on was the usual shows and football games. No coverage at all. Was very surreal.

Some friends of mine in Poway called me at 5:30 this morning to let me know they were evacuating. My brothers old place is right at the fire line along Otay Lakes road. Fortunately, he moved out and rented the place when he became a real estate mogul. Unfortunately, he rented that particular home to his Mother in Law. Hopefully, she's ok, but I haven't heard anything from him yet.

I'm at work today. Mainly because it's a climate controlled building a bit south of where I live (so less smoke in the air). It's still pretty crappy outside though. I'm a lot better able to get ahold of folks and keep track from here then from my house.


The funny thing is that I keep hearing about how it's 4 days off from the Cedar fires in terms of calendar. But what I remember is that 4 years ago, a group of local's called "the brotherhood" threw a Pirate themed Halloween party. They do these sorts of parties all the time. But this one involved renting the Star of India. The very next morning, we all awoke to the fires raging. This year was the first time since then that they've done the same event (actually rented the Star of India and some other wooden ship parked next to it that was in a film recently). Same deal. Wake up to massive smoke. Coincidence? I think not...

Edited, Oct 22nd 2007 1:13pm by gbaji
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Samira wrote:
Not to make light of the situation, but this paragraph in the news this morning made me grin:

teh AP wire wrote:
Hundreds of patients were being evacuated Monday from a hospital and nursing homes in the path of one of more than a dozen wildfires engulfing the region, killing one person, injuring dozens of others and forcing tens of thousands to flee.


Doesn't that read as though the evacuation of nursing homes killed a person and caused tens of thousands to flee?
Evacuations are dangerous business.

Stay safe peeps.
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This has been big news on ESPN Radio all day...apparently LaDainian Tomlinson had to jump ship and the Chargers can't practice!
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Good morning. We haven't been part of the evacuation just yet. Still packed. Unfortunately, many many family members have been evacuated from the northern part of San Diego County and are staying with other family members in my neighborhood. So family parties have commenced at several homes. Smiley: laugh Filipinos will find a reason to celebrate at the drop of a hat.

The schools have all been closed throughout the county, which my kids have been pleased about. Hubby is on his way to work because no one has called to say whether he should stay home or not. So he's going in to check. My work is located in one of the affected areas that was evacuated yesterday, but with the roads being opened again, I may have to go in, at least to make sure that everything is secure. But if I find myself at one of the road closures, well, oh well.
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That's the shits, Thumb.

/raindance
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#10 Oct 23 2007 at 6:06 AM Rating: Decent
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But , Matt Lauer from the Today show is here! And the Governator. Smiley: laugh Woohoo!
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But , Matt Lauer from the Today show is here! And the Governator. Smiley: laugh Woohoo!


Well, all you need is Dr. Phil to show up and the evil trifecta will be complete.

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That's the shits, Thumb.

/raindance


You'll be dancing for a long time. Do an onshoreflowdance instead, wind shift would help a lot.
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#13 Oct 23 2007 at 9:19 AM Rating: Good
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Actually, the funny thing is that my mom's place is actually East of the fires this time (by just a tiny bit). The big one is along the 78, somewhat west of the 67. She technically lives west of the 67, but just a tiny bit. As far as I know, she's ok (barring more fires). The winds are blowing at a ridiculous rate westward (which for those not from the area is backwards, and is called a Santa Ana and it brings a hot wind off the desert instead of a cool breeze off the ocean).

Oddly enough, I checked the news about an hour ago and *I'm* in the evacuation area. Hopefully not due to actual fire though, since that would require burning through about 20 miles of densely packed homes to get to me. Presumably, it's because of the smoke. I'm right along the corridor for all the smoke from the big fire. Funny thing is that it was super bad yesterday, but when I turned on the news, all that was on was the usual shows and football games. No coverage at all. Was very surreal.

Some friends of mine in Poway called me at 5:30 this morning to let me know they were evacuating. My brothers old place is right at the fire line along Otay Lakes road. Fortunately, he moved out and rented the place when he became a real estate mogul. Unfortunately, he rented that particular home to his Mother in Law. Hopefully, she's ok, but I haven't heard anything from him yet.

I'm at work today. Mainly because it's a climate controlled building a bit south of where I live (so less smoke in the air). It's still pretty crappy outside though. I'm a lot better able to get ahold of folks and keep track from here then from my house.


The funny thing is that I keep hearing about how it's 4 days off from the Cedar fires in terms of calendar. But what I remember is that 4 years ago, a group of local's called "the brotherhood" threw a Pirate themed Halloween party. They do these sorts of parties all the time. But this one involved renting the Star of India. The very next morning, we all awoke to the fires raging. This year was the first time since then that they've done the same event (actually rented the Star of India and some other wooden ship parked next to it that was in a film recently). Same deal. Wake up to massive smoke. Coincidence? I think not...

Edited, Oct 22nd 2007 1:13pm by gbaji
You said teh funny thing is" three times in that post, yet I found none of it funny. I want my money back.
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Well, I thought it was funny... ;)


Let's see. I live in the North County area (right around Del Mar). My Brother and his family live in South County (Chula Vista, Eastlake specifically). Sister number one lives kinda middle-south (Spring Valley). Sister number two lives kinda middle-west (Clairmont). Mother lives out in the boondocks of North Lakeside (with her horses and dogs).

At this time me, my brother and family, and sister number one and family, are all crashed at sister number two's house (with her family), along with a friend of theirs who live just east of 15 in Rancho Bernardo (a really bad spot). It's "cozy". Feels like a typical holiday actually. We're spread all over the county and somehow managed to get 3 out of 5 of us in evacuation areas. That's not to say we're unlucky, but to indicate just what percentage of the county is inside some sort of mandatory evacuation zone. Strangely (see! I didn't say it was funny), my mom's place is still clear of smoke and fire...


Fortunately, my other brother just moved this last year from the Canyon Country area up in north LA (where there's a huge fire). That would have just about been the trifecta!


They're also being *very* progressive with the evacuations. They learned from the Cedar fires 4 years ago that if you wait too long, you end up with half of your emergency folks dealing with rescuing people in the areas directly in front of the fire and can't put enough effort into fighting the fire. It's a smart thing to do, but man is it a pain in the butt.



I think one of the more annoying aspects of all of this is the way the news is handling it. I know that they've got to report on the fire, but it just seems like they put so much effort into getting people "on scene" with pictures of burning hillsides and homes and not nearly enough into actually informing people of precisely where the fires are. You can't tell from pictures of a burning hillside or closeups of burning homes where those are, and the graphics and maps they're putting up are horrible. Huge "burn areas" that aren't where the fire is, but where it has been and might be. It's just amazing to me that in this day of instant information, no one can spend a bit of effort coming up with a googlemap style thingie with current up to date information about where exactly flames are, perhaps actually showing us on said map where the scene they're showing us on TV is. Right now, we're looking at stuff and trying to puzzle out how close that is to this person's home, or that person's home. Maps would help. Maps with something more then a fire icon kinda located somewhere within a 10 mile radius of where the actual fire is would be even better...
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It would suck if your house burned down.

Do you think these will help?

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Ack! I find myself agreeing with gbaji.


gbaji wrote:

I think one of the more annoying aspects of all of this is the way the news is handling it. I know that they've got to report on the fire, but it just seems like they put so much effort into getting people "on scene" with pictures of burning hillsides and homes and not nearly enough into actually informing people of precisely where the fires are. You can't tell from pictures of a burning hillside or closeups of burning homes where those are, and the graphics and maps they're putting up are horrible. Huge "burn areas" that aren't where the fire is, but where it has been and might be. It's just amazing to me that in this day of instant information, no one can spend a bit of effort coming up with a googlemap style thingie with current up to date information about where exactly flames are, perhaps actually showing us on said map where the scene they're showing us on TV is. Right now, we're looking at stuff and trying to puzzle out how close that is to this person's home, or that person's home. Maps would help. Maps with something more then a fire icon kinda located somewhere within a 10 mile radius of where the actual fire is would be even better...


A lot of my former in-laws live in or near Escondido and what news I been able to find mentions nearby communities. I want maps, so my daughters can know who they can still reach at home.

edit as I found map that shows all of my former in-laws in San Diego Co are affected

Edited, Oct 23rd 2007 2:48pm by ElneClare
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Once again gbaji fails to die in a fire.

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#18 Oct 23 2007 at 11:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Lol @ Elinda. :)


Yeah. That's the same map they've had for more then 24 hours though. Aside from changing some colors in one area, it hasn't changed.

It's also not accurate anyway. The mandatory evacuation area is defined as "South of Del Dios Highway, North of Sorrento Valley road, and West of Black Mountain road all the way to the coast".

Um... If you look at that map showing the mandatory evac area, the southern border is right along the 56. Now. Follow the 5 south from that. See the second faint line running east? The one that goes about 2/3rds of the way across towards the 15, then cuts south to another line (the third road south, which is Miramar road)? That's Sorrento Valley road.

They changed the evac area sometime yesterday afternoon and *still* haven't updated their map to show the correct area. That's what I'm talking about. Tons of effort spent getting pictures of flame, very little effort providing useful visual information for people who actually want to know exactly where those fires are and where they should be worried about.


Admittedly, they're providing all the info needed in text form, so that's a plus. The complaint isn't really with the information about where evac areas are, and where people should go. They've done a great job with that. The observation with regard to the map is that it's not being updated as they get more information. It's not really a big deal with regard to the evac area itself (since that's provided separately). It *is* a big deal with regard to knowing where the fire actually is. The "burn area" labeled on that map isn't even close to accurate. It hasn't changed since yesterday morning...

Edited, Oct 23rd 2007 12:29pm by gbaji
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Approximately 750,000 people have been evacuated or are currently under orders to evacuate.

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And to the a-hole who apparently took umbrage at my rant about the media coverage of the fires, let me explain.

During one part of the coverage last night, the news was briefly reporting that another fire had broken out in the Tierrasanta area (around where Thumb lives), that might be moving westward from there. After about 30 minutes of talking about it, it finally turned out that some viewer had been looking NE, saw a red glow coming from Poway (much much farther then Tierrasanta), thought it was closer and started a panic. Now admittedly, it's better to report something like this then not, but getting confirmation would have been nice, or even just maybe saying "we can't confirm this and it's based on a single person's guess" rather then leading it into their newscast as though it was fact.

The friends that my sister had invited were a married couple with two children. The area they fled is right in the midst of the heaviest burning. The wife was literally crying and sobbing when hearing this latest news because she was terrified that the fires were coming to this "safe" area that they'd come to. She was worried about where we could go if this area was affected since her daughter has some medical problems and smoke isn't very good for her. I'm not sure what the exact medical issues are, but she's got a tracheotomy tube in her throat (with some kind of machine that they hook up to it every 6 hours or so), and another tube thing hooked into her belly that they were hooking some kind of fluid up to this morning. Other then that, she's a perfectly normal happy beautiful 18 month girl.


They very likely will not have a home to return to when this is over. They're stressed, scared, and worried about what will happen next. I realize that this is a serious. We all know it's serious. But that does not mean that the news outlets should go looking for the most serious angle to make people more scared then they already are. Facts. Information. That's what we want and need. But it really does seem like the majority of the coverage is about chasing flames to put better pictures on the tube. And that's incredibly frustrating when you're trying to get actual information and can't because it's obvious that the first choice for airtime is sensationalism, while the real information we need seems to be many hours behind the actual events.

I wouldn't even mind the sensationalism on the TV itself if they'd actually put accurate and up to date information up occasionally (and make it available on their web sites). But the maps and charts I've seen are woefully inadequate IMO. If they spent a fraction of the time they've spent chasing pictures of burning stuff actually making some good maps and providing it to the people, we'd all be a lot more informed about what's going on. And IMO, that's what the news is *supposed* to be about.
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And to the a-hole who apparently took umbrage at my rant about the media coverage of the fires, let me explain.


Translation: Stop reading now.

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And to the a-hole who apparently took umbrage at my rant about the media coverage of the fires, let me explain.


Translation: Stop reading now.

I take 'gbaji' as a prompt for that
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