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#1 Oct 18 2007 at 3:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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Students who have parental permission to be treated at King Middle School's health center would be able to get birth control prescriptions under a proposal that the Portland School Committee will consider Wednesday.

The proposal would build on the King Student Health Center's practice of providing condoms as part of its reproductive health program since it opened in 2000, said Lisa Belanger, a nurse practitioner who oversees the city's student health centers.

If the committee approves the King proposal, it would be the first middle school in Maine to make a full range of contraception available to some students in grades 6 to 8, said Nancy Birkhimer, director of teen health programs for the Maine Department of Health and Human Services. Most middle schoolers are ages 11-13.

Although students must have written parental permission to be treated at Portland's school-based health centers, state law allows them to seek confidential health care and to decide whether to inform their parents about the services they receive, Belanger said.

Proponents say a small number of King students are sexually active, but those who are need better access to birth control.

Of 134 students who visited King's health center during the 2006-07 school year, five students, or 4 percent, reported having sexual intercourse, said Amanda Rowe, lead nurse in Portland's school health centers.

"This is a service that is totally needed," Rowe said. "It's about very few kids, but they are kids who don't have the same opportunities and access as other students."

I realize people will spew the same 'ol rhetoric about abstinence, and that is some tired, trite shit. I don't think any of us think 11 is an apprpriate age to bump uglies, but hey, it happens. The issue I'm curious enough is the fact that so many people seem to have an issue with the school providing this service. The fact is not every child has adequate parenting, and schools are designed to try to meet those needs through social assistance programs which include financial programs, counseling and yes, medical assistance. In this instance, people seem to look at the school as a pimp and not understand that they are trying to close the gap between ignorance and pregnancy/STDs.

Earlier in the week, I also read about Illinois' new state-mandated moment of silence, and how some parents feel that it's a thin excuse for prayer in the schools, while sme teachers and students welcome it as a break from an otherwise hectic day.

My question to the parents is, how involved (or not) do you want the schools to be in your child's social/moral education? Do you want them ther as a safety net? Do you feel they're overstepping their bounds? Do you feel that agreeing to assistance/interference in one arena limits your ability to reject it in another?
#2 Oct 18 2007 at 4:14 AM Rating: Good
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While I think their attitude is in the right place, I'm unsure that giving children that young the hormones in birth control pills is the right way to go about it.
#3 Oct 18 2007 at 4:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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Atomicflea wrote:

My question to the parents is, how involved (or not) do you want the schools to be in your child's social/moral education? Do you want them ther as a safety net? Do you feel they're overstepping their bounds? Do you feel that agreeing to assistance/interference in one arena limits your ability to reject it in another?


I would hope that my daughter always feels comfortable talking to me about her health. That said, should she decide to seek such assistance elsewhere, I would support her doing so in an environment that is safe and holds her health and safety as being of the utmost importance. And no, I don't believe that agreeing to assistance (I don't see it as interference) in one area limits my ability to reject it in another.

We raise our children to the best of our ability, but they are whole human beings living in a society that does not stop at the doors of our home. They will be exposed to things we wouldn't choose for them to be, and that's something that parents need to realize. No amount of hand-holding or closing our eyes is going to make the reality of the world disappear. Anything that helps our kids to be safer in the choices they make is worth it, in my humble opinion.

One thing about this that does make me nervous however: I don't think that the availability of birth control makes kids more likely to be sexually active but I have mixed feelings about the availability of the pill. Although I'm certain that the school would explain the side effects and the limitations of such birth control, and although I advocate a female being able to take birth control into her own hands rather than relying on an inexperienced male using a condom correctly...the pill doesn't protect against STDs and so I worry about kids in this day and age relying on something of that nature. I hope that the school will enourage "doubling up", so to speak.

Nexa

Edited, Oct 18th 2007 8:21am by Nexa
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#4 Oct 18 2007 at 4:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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I welcome the school's involvement in my kids' sexual education. I will be responsible and talk to my kids whenever I can about these issues but any additional advice and information schools and teachers can provide will be supported by me. I hope that my children feel that they can come to Mr. Tare or I at any time, for any issue, but I know there are some things that will remain confidential. Maybe we won't get through on some thing but a school ed program will. If it means less teen pregnancy/std risk, it's ok by me.
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#5 Oct 18 2007 at 4:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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The other thing is, "Should parents be involved?" Obviously, yes. "Are all parents involved?" Obviously, no. For some kids, school *is* the location of the "sex talk" and it'll be a cold day in hell before they approach a parent for birth control or to discuss safe sex.

My parents were great and all, but my "sex talk" went like this at home:

Nexa, age 17: "Mom, can I go camping with my boyfriend."
Mom: "I don't know." *pause* "Are you on birth control?"
Nexa: "Yup, I'm on the pill."
Mom: "ummm, no. You can go camping when you're 18."

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#6 Oct 18 2007 at 4:56 AM Rating: Good
I don't have kids yet, but I can't see how more/better sex ed at school, from an early age, could be detrimental for the kids.

Of course, this assumes that the school in question doesn't force-feed the pill to unsuspecting 12 year olds on a daily basis, while telling them that **** sex is the most natural form of "safe sex", but surely we're all too grown up for this kind of silly slippery slope argument.

I know that sex-ed in schools in the UK is both slightly taboo and completely outdated, and they have the highest rate of teenage pregnancy in Europe. I don't think its a coincidence.


I gues it all depends on what you think the role of schools should be. Minimalist might say that their role is only to prepare mindless drones for future employment, but I really think schools should do a lot more than that.
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#7 Oct 18 2007 at 4:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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Monsieur RedPhoenixxx wrote:

I know that sex-ed in schools in the UK is both slightly taboo and completely outdated, and they have the highest rate of teenage pregnancy in Europe. I don't think its a coincidence.


Well sure, but the U.S. has the hightest teen pregnancy rate in the industrialized world...so nyah! Europe-smurope.

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#8 Oct 18 2007 at 5:00 AM Rating: Good
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Well sure, but the U.S. has the hightest teen pregnancy rate in the industrialized world...so nyah! Europe-smurope.

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Yeah, well, you guys got BT so it's slightly unfair...
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#9 Oct 18 2007 at 6:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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Hey! We made the front page of CNN! Go Maine!

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#10 Oct 18 2007 at 7:20 AM Rating: Good
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Atomicflea wrote:

My question to the parents is, how involved (or not) do you want the schools to be in your child's social/moral education? Do you want them ther as a safety net? Do you feel they're overstepping their bounds? Do you feel that agreeing to assistance/interference in one arena limits your ability to reject it in another?


Hubby and I have a pretty good communication connection with all 3 of our children. We know that there's some things that they will come to us about and there's other things that they would rather rip out their tongue than talk to us, simply because of the embarrassment factor.

I'm lucky because with my large extended family, my kids have no problem going to an someone else in my family if they feel the need. They just haven't learned that there are no secrets in my family and sooner or later I hear about what's going on. Which just makes it easier for me to be able to open up communication lanes with my kids.

I like to think that the schools are more as a safety net for my own situation. But there are other parents that let the schools deal with the embarrassing, messy questions that they would not want to face with their own kids.

My kids hear the safe sex message at school, as well as the abstinence lecture at catechism. They know my feelings on the subjet and whenever they go out they hear from me "No drinking, no drugs, no touching below the neck." It's gotten to the point that they parrot it back to me as they walk out the door.
#11 Oct 18 2007 at 7:39 AM Rating: Good
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They know my feelings on the subject and whenever they go out they hear from me "No drinking, no drugs, no touching below the neck." It's gotten to the point that they parrot it back to me as they walk out the door.
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#12 Oct 18 2007 at 7:43 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not a parent, but I think it's a good thing that schools get involved in educating the kids. When I was a young lad, I never talked to my folks about sex and they didn't bring it up to me either. By the time my Pops even ventured to broach the subject, I was already 18 and I told him he was too late, I had it covered.

It's hard to fathom 6th graders having sex, but it does happen. And it certainly happens with 8th graders.
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I think society needs some institution other than the 'family' to give kids the information and resources they need. As much as parents like to think they know everything about their kid, and that their kid will 'talk' to them, and go to them with their sexual concerns...it's bull - they don't.

I'm not so sure that 'school' is the best place for it either, but it's better'n nothing.

I also would 'hope' that the medical professionals who are prescibing any sort of medications are fully aware of the differences between adults and childrens and the risks that this might impose.
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As a woman and mother, I am all for health clinics in school, giving birth control to 11 year olds. I live in a state that allows underage kids to receive birth control, without their parents consent, with kept me from being a teenage mother 30 years ago.

I just wasn't comfortable talking to my mother about getting on the pill, though she work on getting the law pass. We had an HMO and my doctor visits and co-pays never were on the monthly bills my parents got from it.

A couple of years later, when my younger sister blood pressure went up, while on the pill, my mom was active in helping her get another form of birth control. Not that it stop my sister from having her first child at 18. She use it to black mail her boyfriend into marrying her. They are still married and now expecting their 2nd grandchild.

As to my own 3 girls, I started their sex education from birth. By the time my oldest was in 3 or 4th grade, she would correct her peers on safe sex and AIDS. I went with all 3 of the girls, when they got on birth control, though they knew I wish they would have waited until they were 18.

My oldest at 19, got engage and pregnant on the same day, while visiting her boyfriend in NY. She went to doctor's when she got back home, to get her Depo-Provera shot and was told then that she was pregnant. My first grandchild was 4 months old, when they had their wedding.

One can't ride public transportation in Baltimore, without see teenage mothers who are unfit mothers. Babies get yelled at to stop crying, seems to be common around here. The public health and school system try to reach out to prevent teenage pregnancy, but funding is not enough and 25 years too late. Thank goodness we at least have JHU's Bloomburg School of Public Health trying to reach out to young parents.
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#15 Oct 18 2007 at 11:23 AM Rating: Decent
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So my 11-13 yr old daughter, the one who can't drive, ride a bike without a helmet, vote, attend most movies without me, can take birth control without telling me for free from the state?

Just wait for the lawsuits. The first time one of these girls gets sick/has some sort of medical problem with the pills, I am going to sue the shi't out of the school district and the state. What are you going to say, my daughter signed away her right to litigation? Oh wait, she's not old enough yet.

This is one of the worst ideas ever. I hope this school district goes belly up.
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So my 11-13 yr old daughter, the one who can't drive, ride a bike without a helmet, vote, attend most movies without me, can take birth control without telling me for free from the state?
Perhaps your daughter will ask you if she can get laid and pregnant. Most don't ask their daddies though.

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Students who have parental permission to be treated at King Middle School's health center would be able to get birth control prescriptions under a proposal that the Portland School Committee will consider Wednesday.
So, no this program says the kids have to have written permission, despite state law that says they don't.

...and technically if the school is providing the pill, then the community (via property taxes) and not the state is footing the bill, though my guess is there is some state funding somewhere in the mix.

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So my 11-13 yr old daughter, the one who can't drive, ride a bike without a helmet, vote, attend most movies without me, can take birth control without telling me for free from the state?
Perhaps your daughter will ask you if she can get laid and pregnant. Most don't ask their daddies though.

teh article wrote:
Students who have parental permission to be treated at King Middle School's health center would be able to get birth control prescriptions under a proposal that the Portland School Committee will consider Wednesday.
So, no this program says the kids have to have written permission, despite state law that says they don't.

...and technically if the school is providing the pill, then the community (via property taxes) and not the state is footing the bill, though my guess is there is some state funding somewhere in the mix.



That's why you put the fear of God into her.

Good point on the second, I read that incorrectly.
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•Twenty-one states and the District of Columbia explicitly allow all minors to consent to contraceptive services without a parent's involvement (as of August 2006). Two states (Texas and Utah) require parental consent for contraceptive services in state-funded family planning programs.[16]

•Ninety percent of publicly funded family planning clinics counsel clients younger than 18 about abstinence and the importance of communicating with parents about sex.[17]

•Sixty percent of teens younger than 18 who use a clinic for sexual health services say their parents know they are there.[18]

•Among those whose parents do not know, 70% would not use the clinic for prescription contraception if the law required that their parents be notified.[19]

•One in five teens whose parents do not know they obtain contraceptive services would continue to have sex but would either rely on withdrawal or not use any contraceptives if the law required that their parents be notified of their visit.[20]

•Only 1% of all minor adolescents who use sexual health services indicate that their only reaction to a law requiring their parents' involvement for prescription contraception would be to stop having sex.[21]


Some relevant statistics! Smiley: schooled

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I guess as a parent, you can pretty much be assured that your kid isn't gonna tell you about their sex life (though, I've had some success getting info about my kids from their friends..Smiley: wink), but that doens't mean you can't talk at them.

I might suggest talking to them not only about the consequences of pre-marital sex, but the risks involved with the different kinds of medications and contraceptives.

I had a girlfriend who had an IUD when she was 18. She will never have kids. (but she got a $700,000 settlement from the class action lawsuit..Smiley: grin)




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I didn't think they had cheerleaders in Junior High. I always figured as cute as those colour-coordinated panties (I love that word) are, I owe it to them to bring my own rubbers.

After all, I am a gentleman, anything less would be tacky.
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That's why you put the fear of God into her.


Right, because nothing stops teenage girls from having sex like overbearing parents treating them like 9 year olds. Bless your heart, the stripping and **** industry would be lost without people like you.

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It is liberal ideas like this that will forever force my back alley abortions to be a supplement to my primary income and not my primary income.

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That's why you put the fear of God into her.


Right, because nothing stops teenage girls from having sex like overbearing parents treating them like 9 year olds. Bless your heart, the stripping and **** industry would be lost without people like you.



Fear of consequences is infinitely better than apathy.
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They know my feelings on the subjet and whenever they go out they hear from me "No drinking, no drugs, no touching below the neck." It's gotten to the point that they parrot it back to me as they walk out the door.

Which means they're most definitely doing those things.

What i want to know is, did they really name a middle school after Stephen King already?
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What i want to know is, did they really name a middle school after Stephen King already?
I'm guessing it was named after Maine's last Gov. Angus King.

But who really knows????
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Fear of consequences is infinitely better than apathy.
Meh, you only face consequences if you get caught, and teens aren't apathetic about the subject-quite the opposite. My father didn't know I was having sex until 5 years after the fact. My mother knew only because I chose to tell her. I had a girlfriend whose mother encouraged her to be open, told her how great sex was, and took her to get on the pill when she turned fourteen. That year she lost her virginity to her boyfriend, and when he broke up with her sxi months later, she tried to kill herself.

Somewhere in between the two is a happy medium. You, a full-grown man, knocked up your wife when you didn't mean to, didn't you? Those hormones are tricksy.
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