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So no Fedor. No more Randy, not even as a commentator. Massive bummer. Now I'll have to resort to watching lame The Rock movies to see him in action. No clue how successful he can be as an actor. =\
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wow... that's kind of a shock. I don't think many people saw that coming, makes you think what he meant by the comment about the UFC management. Of course if he's just leaving to follow Fedor to wherever he's going to I could understand that, there isn't really anyone that could give him a real challenge right now in the UFC, I think Vera will beat Silvia, but I don't think he's ready for Randy.
wow... that's kind of a shock.
Yeah sport dominated by talentless white rednecks starts to be infiltrated by marginally talented brothers who dominate and the rednecks flee.
******* shocking as could be.
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That's pretty lame, Dana.
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"I think the final straw for me was meeting with White and Lorenzo (Fertitta, UFC co-owner) where they claimed I was the No. 2 paid athlete in the organization, which I know is a bold-faced lie," Couture said. Polling other athletes, said Couture, he learned that his compensation -- some $250,000 a fight with pay-per-view bonuses, according to the Couture camp -- was nowhere near what other top UFC fighters were making.
"All us athletes are all pretty tightly intertwined," he said. "You hear what other guys were paid signing bonuses and what other guys were paid on the record and off the record with bonuses. I've heard Chuck's numbers. Tito's numbers. Hughes' numbers. Quinton's numbers. Cro Cop, Wanderlei. I heard what they were offering Fedor, and it's insulting."
"All us athletes are all pretty tightly intertwined," he said. "You hear what other guys were paid signing bonuses and what other guys were paid on the record and off the record with bonuses. I've heard Chuck's numbers. Tito's numbers. Hughes' numbers. Quinton's numbers. Cro Cop, Wanderlei. I heard what they were offering Fedor, and it's insulting."
That's pretty lame, Dana.
I'd hit it. That's all I have to contribute.
He needed to. It was only downhill from here.
Yeah, but ideally it would have been nice to see Randy vs. Fedor in the UFC.
It's more disturbing to hear that he wasn't getting paid as much as Chuck and Matt Hughes though. Chuck got half a mil to LOSE to Keith Jardine.
It's more disturbing to hear that he wasn't getting paid as much as Chuck and Matt Hughes though. Chuck got half a mil to LOSE to Keith Jardine.
Randy had huge fan following, but not the x-factor that drew additional audiences like Shamrock, Liddell, or Ortiz. Jardine doesn't have it imo. No one left does.
Did people really like Ken Shamrock that much though? He wasn't the most personable of fighters and he came off really poorly after his TUF appearance and then after that, his loss to Tito.
Liddell seems more like a marketing puppet than a fighter nowadays and with the idiocy Tito spews out lately, I can't see why he'd be more popular than Randy.
Liddell seems more like a marketing puppet than a fighter nowadays and with the idiocy Tito spews out lately, I can't see why he'd be more popular than Randy.
It was necessarily the ability, it was just that something unique that drew attention. Shamrock had the WWF following, Tito was at every party and spouting his mouth off at every one, and I think Chuck brought the standup until I knock you out approach that drew attention. Some people appreciate take downs and submissions, but the masses appreciated the bare knuckle drama of Chuck's fights.
Jsut my $.02
Jsut my $.02
Liddell seems more like a marketing puppet than a fighter nowadays and with the idiocy Tito spews out lately, I can't see why he'd be more popular than Randy.
I'm going to go out on a crazeeee limb here and guess that perhaps the bento making gaming website working Hawaiian mom isn't the UFC target demographic.
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Smasharoo wrote:
Liddell seems more like a marketing puppet than a fighter nowadays and with the idiocy Tito spews out lately, I can't see why he'd be more popular than Randy.
I'm going to go out on a crazeeee limb here and guess that perhaps the bento making gaming website working Hawaiian mom isn't the UFC target demographic.
That too.
Har har. :P
I based what I said partly on all the people that come to our house to watch UFC, not just my own personal opinion.
You've pointed out the appeal of those fighters, but can't you argue that Randy had the same fight appeal? His fight against Silvia and his fight against Gonzaga weren't snooze fests. In addition to that, he's a highly respected fighter almost all around.
I based what I said partly on all the people that come to our house to watch UFC, not just my own personal opinion.
You've pointed out the appeal of those fighters, but can't you argue that Randy had the same fight appeal? His fight against Silvia and his fight against Gonzaga weren't snooze fests. In addition to that, he's a highly respected fighter almost all around.
Pikko Pots wrote:
Har har. :P
I based what I said partly on all the people that come to our house to watch UFC, not just my own personal opinion.
You've pointed out the appeal of those fighters, but can't you argue that Randy had the same fight appeal? His fight against Silvia and his fight against Gonzaga weren't snooze fests. In addition to that, he's a highly respected fighter almost all around.
I based what I said partly on all the people that come to our house to watch UFC, not just my own personal opinion.
You've pointed out the appeal of those fighters, but can't you argue that Randy had the same fight appeal? His fight against Silvia and his fight against Gonzaga weren't snooze fests. In addition to that, he's a highly respected fighter almost all around.
He just never crossed the right line though. There are tons of better singers in the world than Britney, but she just had/did something different.
I suppose.. seemed like anytime I read any forums though, almost everyone hands down loved Randy while there were a lot of people that hated Shamrock and Tito. I wasn't aware that they both had carry-over following until you mentioned it though, so I guess that's why I don't get it.
I think part of the differance is kind of what you mention... Everyone loved Randy. I can't think of any of the UFC watchers that I know that didn't like the guy. While being the guy everyone likes makes you popular, being the guy that people hate I think makes you even more so, which is the case with Tito and Liddel. Everyone has an opinion, and everyone either hates them or loves them, there really isn't that in between. Because if it I think it makes them bigger draws then Randy.
Yeah, Shamrock and Tito had/have the heel draw, I mean who doesn't want to watch Tito get stood up and beat down?
However I disagree that Randy isn't worth their payouts, I'd assume he brings about as much of an audience. And more importantly, the PPV events have been coming pretty frequently, every card they need at least a couple that can bring in the gate. Randy not being in the UFC means his spot in a card is taken by some chump, or at least a much chumplier fighter.
And to cinch it Zuffa is obviously bizarre in general with their payouts. As mentioned 500k to Liddel and 15k to Jardine makes zero sense in MMA. The disparity makes a bit more sense in boxing simply due to the higher number of contenders, and the higher payout in general. A minimum boxing payout can allow the boxer to train fulltime. That should also be the minimum MMA payout, none of this 4k for undercards BS.
White and the Fertitas need to learn how 2 equitably pay. So far it seems they have some weird internal system, maybe winging it, instead of going strictly by likely gate draw and fair play for the risk and effort involved.
Can I assume you said the same thing about him two years ago?
However I disagree that Randy isn't worth their payouts, I'd assume he brings about as much of an audience. And more importantly, the PPV events have been coming pretty frequently, every card they need at least a couple that can bring in the gate. Randy not being in the UFC means his spot in a card is taken by some chump, or at least a much chumplier fighter.
And to cinch it Zuffa is obviously bizarre in general with their payouts. As mentioned 500k to Liddel and 15k to Jardine makes zero sense in MMA. The disparity makes a bit more sense in boxing simply due to the higher number of contenders, and the higher payout in general. A minimum boxing payout can allow the boxer to train fulltime. That should also be the minimum MMA payout, none of this 4k for undercards BS.
White and the Fertitas need to learn how 2 equitably pay. So far it seems they have some weird internal system, maybe winging it, instead of going strictly by likely gate draw and fair play for the risk and effort involved.
NepthysWanderer wrote:
He needed to. It was only downhill from here.
Can I assume you said the same thing about him two years ago?
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And more importantly, the PPV events have been coming pretty frequently, every card they need at least a couple that can bring in the gate
You bring up a good point here, although unintentionally... It seems like the PPV events went from being one every 3 or 4, maybe 2 months, to one every month. I like getting to see the fights, but I think they are going to hurt the sport if they keep it up like they have been... People can't always pay an extra $40 a month on their cable bill, sooner or later they'll realize that...
I think you're right about the pay though, they need to standardize it a little.
When I heard how little Jardine got paid for that fine my jaw dropped, especially when you compare it to Liddell's paycheck.
TidusBlue wrote:
You bring up a good point here, although unintentionally... It seems like the PPV events went from being one every 3 or 4, maybe 2 months, to one every month. I like getting to see the fights, but I think they are going to hurt the sport if they keep it up like they have been... People can't always pay an extra $40 a month on their cable bill, sooner or later they'll realize that...
Agreed. It has been nice that at times they'll show it free on Spike, but a couple of those were simply due to not getting PPV stuff in order or something. I imagine the physical gate at arenas is a lot less than in boxing though, so perhaps they need to make some up via PPV, and/or can't afford to put forth non-PPV, non-TV cards. It's still a very early business but they need to get their **** together.
Main thing I want to add though is that I hope Sylvia stomps the **** out of Vera. His post-match victory "dance/salute/wtf" thing is incredibly annoying and stupid-looking. Plus he's arrogant as hell and needs a good beating.
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Did people really like Ken Shamrock that much though? He wasn't the most personable of fighters and he came off really poorly after his TUF appearance and then after that, his loss to Tito.
Shamrock and Horace were around when UFC was just random people fighting and they didn't have weight classes. UFC was supposed to be a no holds barred type of fighting. Now its more like wrestling. They have reality shows, people hate each other, that fear factor guy running his mouth. Its not like it used to be. There used to be a few ppv's a year, not like it is now.
I think UFC has over-exposed itself. You can watch it anytime now, just turn to Spike tv.
Gawd, you don't like Joe Rogan? He is part of what makes the shows entertaining. I look forward to him shutting down Goldberg whenever he makes some blanket "Best Ever" statement or makes up words.
"He's like the Michael Jordan of MMA, don't you think, Joe?"
"No."
"Larry Bird?"
"No."
Edit cause I can't spell Jordan...
Edited, Oct 12th 2007 4:08pm by Pikko
"He's like the Michael Jordan of MMA, don't you think, Joe?"
"No."
"Larry Bird?"
"No."
Edit cause I can't spell Jordan...
Edited, Oct 12th 2007 4:08pm by Pikko
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