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#52 Oct 09 2007 at 10:50 AM Rating: Good
Monsieur RedPhoenixxx wrote:
It's not different to paying two hookers to watch them have sex with each other. And I think that would still be prostitution.


Well that's a good point, and one I hadn't even considered, because I'm too hetero to pay to watch two whores go at and not jump in myself.


Too hetero to pay to watch two whores. Say that five times fast.
#53 Oct 09 2007 at 10:56 AM Rating: Good
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because I'm too hetero to pay to watch two whores go at and not jump in myself.


You're such a simple-minded pervert.
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#54 Oct 09 2007 at 11:03 AM Rating: Good
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Too hetero to pay to watch two whores. Say that five times fast.


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#55 Oct 09 2007 at 5:46 PM Rating: Decent
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**** stars are not ******** some random john. So, in my opinion at least, it makes it a healthier career choice...so different.


Even more important IMO is that the guy having sex with the woman is not paying her to do it. Both participants are being paid to perform. In prostitution, one person is paying another to perform sex for him/her. The sexual act is what's being purchased. In ****, the sexual act is a means to an end. The film of the act is marketed and sold, generating revenue which then results in paychecks to the performers.

Ultimately, the people funding **** are those who buy the films of the sex acts, not those who perform in those sex acts. IMO, this creates a separation between the act and the payee that is the distinction between prostitution and pornography.
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#56 Oct 09 2007 at 6:16 PM Rating: Decent
I voted no difference. Why? Because the biggest difference by far is simply that one is legal and one illegal, but I see no real distinction between the two which should allow that to be true. They're virtually identical.

Prostitution: A hooker is paid for sex, money funneled at times through a pimp.

****: An "actress" is paid for having sex, money funneled through the studio (or in some cases on the internet directly to her).

The difference of the hooker paid for sex and pornstar for having sex is valid, but come on, it's not a serious difference. Paid. For. Sex. is overwhelmingly similar enough to make the details trivial.

The difference of the john vs. the ****-watcher is equally trivial. Someone's ******** a chick (or guy) that's being paid for sex. Disposition of the guy who's ******** her hardly seems an issue. Also, it's legal for people to make **** flicks where the screwers aren't paid at all, like the gangbang vids with various shmucks off the street.

Prostitution is illegal while **** is legal because people are idiots or hyporites or tradition freaks. No real difference between the two.
#57 Oct 09 2007 at 6:33 PM Rating: Decent
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The difference of the hooker paid for sex and pornstar for having sex is valid, but come on, it's not a serious difference. Paid. For. Sex. is overwhelmingly similar enough to make the details trivial.


Eh? I think that's a huge difference.

Somewhat by definition, if you walk up to someone, offer them money for sex and they agree, that person is a prostitute. If you walk up to a **** star and offer her money, she's not going to give you sex. Not unless you're a film producer that is...
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Palpitus wrote:
I voted no difference. Why? Because the biggest difference by far is simply that one is legal and one illegal, but I see no real distinction between the two which should allow that to be true. They're virtually identical.

Prostitution is illegal while **** is legal because people are idiots or hyporites or tradition freaks. No real difference between the two.


Prostitution can be legal too.
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Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
Monsieur RedPhoenixxx wrote:
It's not different to paying two hookers to watch them have sex with each other. And I think that would still be prostitution.


Well that's a good point, and one I hadn't even considered, because I'm too hetero to pay to watch two whores go at and not jump in myself.


Well, that would actually be stripping. It's not uncommon for stippers to put on sex shows like that. And it's legal (in most states anyway).

I'll also point out that the whole "I wouldn't pay for them to go at it and not jump in myself" is what makes it prostitution. If the assumption is that someone involved in the paying part is expecting sex out of it (and not just watching sex) then it's prostitution. If two girls as an act are paid to have sex with eachother, it's not prostitution. If you pay one of them to have sex with yourself or someone else (not their choice, but your's) it's prostitution.
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#60 Oct 09 2007 at 7:05 PM Rating: Decent
I get the playboy channel and im a very lonely 18 year old :PP

any way its not as random as you may think apparently they have lists of people they will work w/... They have some things that they will do and some they wont do. While a prostitute will do anything for the correct price.

Some **** stars will only do other woman while others wont do woman at all.

They get tested before and after every movie. all people that partake need to get tested as well...


Sorry if its already been posted but im not going through this entire thread Smiley: wink
#61 Oct 09 2007 at 7:07 PM Rating: Good
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They have some things that they will do and some they wont do. While a prostitute will do anything for the correct price.

Some **** stars will only do other woman while others wont do woman at all.

What makes you think "for the right price" doesn't apply there?


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#63 Oct 09 2007 at 7:24 PM Rating: Decent
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What makes you think "for the right price" doesn't apply there?


well the way it is portrayed a lot of them have relationships out side of **** so it already is applying stress to the relationship.


some rules are set by the spouse/boyfriend/girlfriend although i mean if it was me and my gf is already doing that stuff i wouldn't hold her back

She is already defiled might aswell go the whole 9 yards and get paid.
#64 Oct 09 2007 at 8:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Prostitutes categorically will do anything for the right price?

I mean.. It's like like I've ever partaken in the services of a prostitute, but I can't imagine that no prostitutes have standards. I can't imagine that all pornstars do have standards either.

Jophiel, I know that the arsonist, one building deal is probably at least half sarcastic, but there are plenty of times where a single action is not sufficient to place the person into the category. The grammar seems identical but I'm not willing to say, deny someone the label of vegetarian for having partaken in one meaty delight, or give someone the label of alcoholic for a single drink. Terms like "arsonist" seem to have some meaning that is purely in the past; an "arsonist" is something like "someone who has committed arson." Prostitute seems to be more of the present tense.

Edited, Oct 10th 2007 12:47am by Pensive
#65 Oct 09 2007 at 10:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Eh? I think that's a huge difference.

Somewhat by definition, if you walk up to someone, offer them money for sex and they agree, that person is a prostitute. If you walk up to a **** star and offer her money, she's not going to give you sex. Not unless you're a film producer that is...


The bolded part was perhaps meant facetiously, but it demonstrates the actual very thin difference. If that's the major and legal difference, all one has to do to avoid being prosecuted for soliciting (or avoid being vastly different from ****) is carry a camara, take a snapshot of sex with the prostitute, and sell a copy for $5 to someone.

MentalFrog wrote:
Prostitution can be legal too.


Sure, but most people in non-Nevada America view prostitution and **** as different based mostly on their respective legality, and not simple reason.
#66 Oct 10 2007 at 12:16 AM Rating: Decent
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MentalFrog wrote:
Prostitution can be legal too.


Sure, but most people in non-Nevada America view prostitution and **** as different based mostly on their respective legality, and not simple reason.


No they don't.
#67 Oct 10 2007 at 12:46 AM Rating: Decent
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No they don't.


Yes they do.
#68 Oct 10 2007 at 12:55 AM Rating: Good
gbaji wrote:
Monsieur RedPhoenixxx wrote:
It's not different to paying two hookers to watch them have sex with each other. And I think that would still be prostitution.


Well, that would actually be stripping.


Why do you assume both are female?

And even if they are both female, it's still prostitution. The line between the two is far too thin to be meaningful. If I pay for a prostitute and turn on my webcam, does that make her a pornstar?

Of course, it's easy to see differences if you compare Jenna Jameson to some crack-addicted prostitute that charges $10 and half a kebab.

But if you compare Jenna to high-class prostitute who charges thousands of pounds a session, chooses her clients, the location, and what goes on, there's no difference. If you compare some crack-***** to a some girl in a cheap Bulgarian version of "Old Mamas Who Like To Stick Cactuses Up Their Butts", there's no difference.

Imagine I pay two separate hookers, who don't know each other, to come to my house and have sex with each other, while I film it on my webcam. Prostitution? The beggining of a great career in ****?
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#69 Oct 10 2007 at 4:31 AM Rating: Decent
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More to the point, what if the government said it was okay to accept payment for sex?
Illinois Criminal Code Sec 11-14 wrote:
Prostitution.

(a) Any person who performs, offers or agrees to perform any act of sexual penetration as defined in Section 12-12 of this Code for any money, property, token, object, or article or anything of value, or any touching or fondling of the sex organs of one person by another person, for any money, property, token, object, or article or anything of value, for the purpose of sexual arousal or gratification commits an act of prostitution.
Your milage may vary by state.


So by that definition, any of you ladies who gave your man a hummer because he bought you those diamond earrings you wanted are prostitutes.




#70 Oct 10 2007 at 12:43 PM Rating: Decent
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So by that definition, any of you ladies who gave your man a hummer because he bought you those diamond earrings you wanted are prostitutes.


Hell by that definition you could have a prostitute by paying for the night on the town, provided that the female in question would go for the sex at the end of the night.
#71 Oct 10 2007 at 1:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Monsieur RedPhoenixxx wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Monsieur RedPhoenixxx wrote:
It's not different to paying two hookers to watch them have sex with each other. And I think that would still be prostitution.


Well, that would actually be stripping.


Why do you assume both are female?


Why do you?

Are you saying that a strip show can't include a male and female pair of strippers? I didn't specify gender in my statement...

If the entertainment you're paying for is watching two (or more) people have sex, it's pornography. If the entertainment you are paying for is having someone to have sex with you, it's prostitution.

That's not to say that an act of pornography cannot *also* be prostitution (for example, you pay to watch someone else getting a BJ from a hooker). However, what makes it prostitution is if one of the people actually engaging in sex is paying to receive that sex.

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And even if they are both female, it's still prostitution. The line between the two is far too thin to be meaningful. If I pay for a prostitute and turn on my webcam, does that make her a pornstar?


You're caught up on labels. As though someone *is* a prostitute, or *is* a pornstar, but can't be both. It's the act that is pornographic and/or prostitution. If you hire two people to have sex with eachother while you film it, and you don't receive any sex, you've filmed a pornographic film. Assuming both people involved were being paid to perform and work together as part of *your* production, they're not engaging in prostitution. The second the objective of any of those actually having sex is to have the sex in return for money, it becomes prostitution.


Obviously, there's a fine line.

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But if you compare Jenna to high-class prostitute who charges thousands of pounds a session, chooses her clients, the location, and what goes on, there's no difference.


Except for the fact that Jenna is being paid by a producer to have sex with another paid performer under a contract based on the sale of the film of the act. The money comes from the sale of the video, not the person she's having sex with.

That's a *huge* difference.

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Imagine I pay two separate hookers, who don't know each other, to come to my house and have sex with each other, while I film it on my webcam. Prostitution? The beggining of a great career in ****?


Technically, it's filming an adult film without a license. But if you are properly licensed, then it's pornography, assuming that both women understand that they're both being paid to have sex with eachother so you can film it.

Edited, Oct 10th 2007 2:01pm by gbaji
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Jophiel wrote:
More to the point, what if the government said it was okay to accept payment for sex?
Illinois Criminal Code Sec 11-14 wrote:
Prostitution.

(a) Any person who performs, offers or agrees to perform any act of sexual penetration as defined in Section 12-12 of this Code for any money, property, token, object, or article or anything of value, or any touching or fondling of the sex organs of one person by another person, for any money, property, token, object, or article or anything of value, for the purpose of sexual arousal or gratification commits an act of prostitution.
Your milage may vary by state.
So by that definition, any of you ladies who gave your man a hummer because he bought you those diamond earrings you wanted are prostitutes.
No, by that definition any ladies entering into an agreement to receive diamond earrings in return for a hummer is a prostitute. Deciding after the fact to give a hummer as a symbol of your appreciation wouldn't count.
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Jophiel wrote:
BloodwolfeX wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
More to the point, what if the government said it was okay to accept payment for sex?
Illinois Criminal Code Sec 11-14 wrote:
Prostitution.

(a) Any person who performs, offers or agrees to perform any act of sexual penetration as defined in Section 12-12 of this Code for any money, property, token, object, or article or anything of value, or any touching or fondling of the sex organs of one person by another person, for any money, property, token, object, or article or anything of value, for the purpose of sexual arousal or gratification commits an act of prostitution.
Your milage may vary by state.
So by that definition, any of you ladies who gave your man a hummer because he bought you those diamond earrings you wanted are prostitutes.
No, by that definition any ladies entering into an agreement to receive diamond earrings in return for a hummer is a prostitute. Deciding after the fact to give a hummer as a symbol of your appreciation wouldn't count.


What about the man in question? If he was fully expecting a hummer for said earrings, couldn't that be construed as solicitation?
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What about the man in question? If he was fully expecting a hummer for said earrings, couldn't that be construed as solicitation?
I can expect anything I want. Won't make it an agreement.

Even if the man expected to receive sexual favors as a result of his gift, that doesn't mean the woman has the intent to give sexual favors only as the result of payment.
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#75 Oct 10 2007 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
gbaji wrote:
Are you saying that a strip show can't include a male and female pair of strippers?


If they're having sex with each other, it's clearly not a strip show anymore! Though I don't know how it is for you guys, I was 14 the last time I was in California.

Anyway.

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Except for the fact that Jenna is being paid by a producer to have sex with another paid performer under a contract based on the sale of the film of the act.

That's a *huge* difference.


Sure but when prostitution is legal, "Boris" is being paid by a company to perform a service for a client based on a contract.

It's not a *huge* difference.

But I don't deny there are legal and technical differences. But both still sell the use of their body for the sexual enjoyment of paying clients.

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Monsieur RedPhoenixxx wrote:


But I don't deny there are legal and technical differences. But both still sell the use of their body for the sexual enjoyment of paying clients.



Sure. But that *is* the difference, right? That's like saying that there's no difference between murder and manslaughter because in both cases, someone died.


Or maybe there's no difference between a legitimate business transaction and "trafficking in stolen goods". Both involved a transfer of goods for money, right? Subtle differences in the what and whys make a *huge* difference in terms of the law.

Another point that's kinda glossed over is that somewhat by definition all prostitution is pornography (unless all people involved have their eyes closed or something). But not all pornography involves prostitution. The question really is the point at which it stops being performance art and simply becomes about paying someone for sex.
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