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#1 Sep 26 2007 at 3:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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YANGON (Reuters) - Seething crowds of Buddhist monks and civilians filled the streets of Myanmar's main city on Wednesday, defying warning shots, tear gas and baton charges meant to quell the biggest anti-junta protests in 20 years.

Two Buddhist monks and a civilian were killed, hospital and monastery sources said, as decades of pent-up frustration at 45 years of unbroken military rule in the former Burma produced the largest crowds yet during a month of protests.

The United States and the European Union condemned the violence against demonstrators and asked the U.N. Security Council to consider sanctions against Myanmar when it met on the crisis on Wednesday.

Monks have been central to the protests that erupted from sporadic marches against a hike in fuel prices, as the Buddhist priesthood, the country's highest moral authority, goes head-to-head with the might of the military.

Some witnesses estimated 100,000 people took to the streets of Yangon on Wednesday despite fears of a repeat of the ruthless suppression of Myanmar's last major uprising in 1988, when soldiers opened fire, killing an estimated 3,000 people.

"They are marching down the streets, with the monks in the middle and ordinary people either side. They are shielding them, forming a human chain," one witness said over almost deafening roars of anger at security forces.

But as darkness fell in Yangon, people dispersed ahead of a dusk-to-dawn curfew. The streets were almost deserted.

In the second city of Mandalay, also under curfew, the Asian Human Rights Commission said there was no opposition to 10,000 people protesting against grinding poverty.

MONKS ARRESTED

In the afternoon, riot police fired tear gas at columns of monks trying to push their way past barricades sealing off the Shwedagon Pagoda, Myanmar's holiest shrine and the starting point of more than a week of marches.

"We cannot know if many people were injured but we can be sure that blood was spilled," French diplomat Emmanuel Mouriez, who is stationed in Myanmar, told French radio RTL.

"We have several witnesses who speak of people on the floor. There were some monks who were beaten up."

As many as 200 maroon-robed monks were arrested at the gilded shrine.

"This is a test of wills between the only two institutions in the country that have enough power to mobilize nationally," said Bradley Babson, a retired World Bank official who worked in Myanmar.

"Between those two institutions, one of them will crack," he said. "If they take overt violence against the monks, they risk igniting the population against them."

U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Louise Arbour warned Myanmar's rulers they could face an international court for violence against the protesters.

The junta, whose leaders remain hunkered down in a new capital 250 miles north of Yangon, had tried to keep the monks off the streets, sending trucks of soldiers and police to block six activist monasteries early in the morning.

The generals also rounded up more prominent dissidents, including comedian Za Ga Na, who had urged people to take to the streets.

Ranks of riot police remained outside the lakeside home of Suu Kyi to ensure no attempt was made to pluck the 62-year-old Nobel laureate from house arrest.

An opposition leader said he feared more people will die.

"It is not a good sign. The confrontation has already started," Sein Win, who heads a self-proclaimed Myanmar government-in-exile, told the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. from Paris.


What are your thoughts on the situation here? This occurred after the police had beaten monks, nuns, and student protesters earlier. I've never been a big fan of having other countries be the world police, but this is going to end just as badly as the last protests in 1988. The only difference is now we will be able to download it on youtube.

#2 Sep 26 2007 at 3:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Sounds like they are now part of the Axis of Evil.
#3 Sep 26 2007 at 3:21 PM Rating: Good
I was waiting for that Smiley: lol
#4 Sep 26 2007 at 3:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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I was riding in the car with my boss today, and he was listening to Michael Savage, who kept pronouncing Myanmar as "Min-ah-mar." I couldn't tell if he was trying to make a joke, or what.

#5 Sep 26 2007 at 4:02 PM Rating: Good
Probably not Tricky Smiley: lol
#6 Sep 26 2007 at 6:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Probably the best thing that could happen for the Burmese people is for countries around the world to threaten China with a mass boycott of next years Olympics.

The Chinese are the one country who have any real clout with the junta in Burma, and a threatened boycott of the games would be the one thing that would rattle their bucket enough to make them act, rather than offer platitudes.

And then when they've done something about the f'uckheads in Burma, tell them to stop oppressing the Tibetans as well.

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#7 Sep 26 2007 at 6:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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I went to the Tibetan Freedom Concert in 1999 and bought a t-shirt, so I feel I've done my part in international goodwill.


#8 Sep 26 2007 at 6:44 PM Rating: Good
The world wouldn't go to that extreme though sadly. I agree that a boycott threatening China would definitely force their hand. But as much as I dislike China and their policies it is a bit heavy handed to punish them because the "government" in Myanmar is anything but.

The fact that they actually opened fire on the monks is extremely disheartening. Add on top of that, that they actually confirmed two monks were killed, and it's a recipe for disaster.

The monks are the only group besides the government that can actually stir up any form of emotion from the populace. This is going to end up as a bloodbath for two reasons. The first is that the junta has already shown that they have no qualms about using violence to break things up. And will continue to do so despite the fact that the world is actually witnessing this massacre as opposed to the one in 1988.

The second is that the monks are the type of people that will not bend or break. They will continue marching and protesting. And they will probably continue getting killed. The worst part is the world will not do anything other than call for action and impose more sanctions that will only affect the very people they are trying to help.
#9 Sep 26 2007 at 8:08 PM Rating: Decent
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All you say is sadly true Brill. I'm not sure about the 'heavy handed ' remark tho. Can it be considered 'heavy handed' to threaten to withdraw participation in a gigantic 'sporting' event, if the result may mean that thousands of lives would be saved. Seems like the 'moral' choice if you ask me.....


But you do forget one thing tho.

The murdered Buddhists will be re-incarnated and be back on the barricades the next time around.
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#10 Sep 26 2007 at 9:49 PM Rating: Default
Brill wrote:
What are your thoughts on the situation here?


Torn between my vision of kung fu monks and how cool the words "military junta" are.
#11 Sep 26 2007 at 11:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Just felt the need to say the country is called 'Burma'. Myanmar is an invented name by the fascists who overthrew the democratically elected gubberment. (At least UK & USA still recognise it as Burma, unlike the smelly French).

Carry on
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#12 Sep 27 2007 at 1:30 AM Rating: Excellent
Yeah, it's completely fUcked-up. And it really doesn't look as though it's gonna get any better. The military junta is on a par with N.Korea in terms of paranoia and ruthlessness. And as coola s the monks might be, they're not quite bullet-proof monks, yet.

Maybe I'm pessimistic, but I fail to see how this will not be a re-run of 88, with a richer, more effective, and more organised military junta, against a poorer, more disorganised and demoralised reformist movement.

No doubt that China is the only country that has the economic and political muscle in the region to influence the junta, but China's record in pressurising other regimes to become more "democratic" is non-existant, for obvious reasons.

As for the Myanmar/Burma name debate, there is a really delicious Burmese restaurant on Edgware Road, London, near where Edgware Road becomes Maida Vale, just before the Nat West. It's absolutely delicious, and so cheap! I used to go there all the time when I lived on Maida Vale, and the staff was the nicest and friendliest staff I've ever met in a restaurant.

Anyway, all this to say, smelly? I think not!
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#13 Sep 27 2007 at 8:44 AM Rating: Good
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As far as China goes, I don't think they will try to promote democracy in the region, necessarily but what is in the region's best interest--name a stable government who has reasonably good relationships with other nations and an ability to hide their most blatant abuses.
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#14 Sep 27 2007 at 8:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Monsieur RedPhoenixxx wrote:

Maybe I'm pessimistic, but I fail to see how this will not be a re-run of 88, with a richer, more effective, and more organised military junta, against a poorer, more disorganised and demoralised reformist movement.
Yeah, it's getting bloodier by the moment. China's stance currently is that this is not impacting international or even regional peace and stability, so they're hands off.

What's in a name, really? The French, however, undoubtedly stink.
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#15 Sep 27 2007 at 9:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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My favorite Burmese joint unfortunately moved too far away from me, used to be down the street, but now it's an hour drive away. I miss that place.
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More killed.
#17 Sep 27 2007 at 11:16 AM Rating: Good
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If the head monk would have just returned Pei Mei's generous nod, this all could have been avoided.
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#18 Sep 27 2007 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
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Just felt the need to say the country is called 'Burma'. Myanmar is an invented name by the fascists who overthrew the democratically elected gubberment. (At least UK & USA still recognise it as Burma, unlike the smelly French).

Carry on
I agree, the French are quite smelly.
#19 Sep 27 2007 at 8:51 PM Rating: Good
Yup I suspect that this will be just about the end of it before the junta really puts down the hammer Smiley: mad Fucking pieces of sh*t.

Edited, Sep 28th 2007 12:51am by Brill
#20 Sep 28 2007 at 6:42 AM Rating: Decent
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They monks would come back reincarnated if their reincarnation was approved by the government first.

Edited, Sep 28th 2007 11:07am by MrsGemini
#21 Sep 28 2007 at 10:09 AM Rating: Good
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Perhaps all the monks were just using Feign Death?
#22 Sep 28 2007 at 7:52 PM Rating: Default
paulsol the Righteous wrote:
Probably the best thing that could happen for the Burmese people is for countries around the world to threaten China with a mass boycott of next years Olympics.

The Chinese are the one country who have any real clout with the junta in Burma, and a threatened boycott of the games would be the one thing that would rattle their bucket enough to make them act, rather than offer platitudes.

And then when they've done something about the f'uckheads in Burma, tell them to stop oppressing the Tibetans as well.


Olympics boycotting is one of the most ridiculous things ever. A government using athletes as proxy for things they don't have the balls to do. A bunch of suits not willing to hurt their own bottom line with traditional foreign policy means forcing athletes to give up their own dreams and in some countries' cases, their livelihoods. Very easy to force 0.000001% of the population to lose their jobs when you yourself don't have to. Or will you also quit your job, as China is part of the global economy and you're a part of it? Self-sacrifice sure is easy when you're forcing someone else to do it and not doing it yourself.

It's extra ridiculous for anyone in the US government to call for the boycott when they continue to give China MNF status. Means little to them to ***** over athletes and NBC, but god forbid they ***** over businesses.

Finally, no country is innocent. If your reason for boycotting a country is that "they could stop another country from doing something bad" then virtually any boycott of any host nation is valid. An American boycott of the China games is as stupid as an Iranian boycott of competing against Israeli athletes.

If you want to force China's hand by hurting them economically, use economic foreign policy tools, not freaking sports events.
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Perhaps all the monks were just using Feign Death?

A_Burmese_monk_01 has fallen to the ground.

D'oh!
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Olympics boycotting is one of the most ridiculous things ever.


You're so right. What a preposterous thought that governments might do something to prevent their grown adult citizens from dressing in brightly colored costumes and playing children's games with people from other countries while people watch on television and cheer for complete strangers because of what color shorts they wear when it's their turn to see how far they can throw an iron ball.

Crazy governments.

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Olympics boycotting is one of the most ridiculous things ever.


You're so right. What a preposterous thought that governments might do something to prevent their grown adult citizens from dressing in brightly colored costumes and playing children's games with people from other countries while people watch on television and cheer for complete strangers because of what color shorts they wear when it's their turn to see how far they can throw an iron ball.

Crazy governments.


Actually I think that's exactly why a boycott of the Olympics to alter foreign behavior is ridiculous*, course that wasn't Pulpy's reason so, yeah ok fine, my post is pointless.

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*yeah yeah ecomonic reasons/hosting games to showcase a very limited, specially built area as a manufactured representative of the host nation as a whole/good publicity, blah blah blah.

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