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Dan Rather sues CBS for $70 millionFollow

#1 Sep 19 2007 at 5:27 PM Rating: Good
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/TV/09/19/tv.ratherlawsuit.ap/index.html

I don't know that he'll win, but I bet he sure as hell settles for a lot of money.
#2 Sep 19 2007 at 6:04 PM Rating: Good
He'll be dead before it's settled. What is he, pushing 80?
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#3 Sep 19 2007 at 6:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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75, per the article.
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#4 Sep 19 2007 at 6:10 PM Rating: Default
He was already making 6 million a year anyway. I don't think its about the money, but he would rather save face. Then again for 70 mil its probably about the money.
#5 Sep 19 2007 at 6:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Um... Haven't read the article yet, but doesn't falsifying documents for a news story kinda tend to violate the journalists contract?

Just a first thought.
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#6 Sep 19 2007 at 6:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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Per the article you didn't read...
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But an independent review for the network determined the story was neither fair nor accurate. CBS fired three news executives and a producer for airing it.

Richard Thornburgh -- the former U.S. attorney general who made up the two-man investigative panel with Louis D. Boccardi, the retired chief executive of The Associated Press -- said he was unaware of Rather's lawsuit.

Reached at his home in Washington, he said only: "Our report speaks for itself."

Boccardi was not immediately available for comment.

Issued in January 2005, the 224-page report portrayed Rather as "pushed to the limit" with other stories at the time of the "60 Minutes Wednesday" report. He relied on a trusted producer, and didn't check the story for accuracy or, apparently, even see it before he introduced it on the program, the panel said.
Unknowingly running with a bad story, even a falsified story, isn't the same as falsifying the documents yourself or intentionally giving bad information.

Edited, Sep 19th 2007 10:00pm by Jophiel
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#7 Sep 19 2007 at 7:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Unknowingly running with a bad story, even a falsified story, isn't the same as falsifying the documents yourself or intentionally giving bad information.

Yes, but going to air on a national network news or news show broadcast with a story you didn't bother to vet yourself makes you a f'ucking idiot and utterly scapegoat-able.
#8 Sep 19 2007 at 8:05 PM Rating: Good
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Unknowingly running with a bad story, even a falsified story, isn't the same as falsifying the documents yourself or intentionally giving bad information.

Yes, but going to air on a national network news or news show broadcast with a story you didn't bother to vet yourself makes you a f'ucking idiot and utterly scapegoat-able.


Maybe but then again, around that time, there was endless piling on of Rather because of the mainstream's press attempt to criticize Bush in the elections by the same parties who did not question the veracity of rightward leaning journalists, the "Swift boat Veterans" and various pundits who were put on news programs with their opinion. There was very little actual discussion of the politicians' positions in 2004 as I recall.

Rather was targeted for years by rightwingers who has a vested interest in demeaning the mainstream media. I'm not saying he's the model of journalistic integrity but the criticism and subsequent ouster of Rather had very little to do with what he actually said on air and alot more to do than his words being used for a political end.

And my God, if Bush can essentially dodge duty and Kerry goes to Vietnam and gets wounded and republicans can still act like Bush served his country more at that time, well I say that is some Machiavellian ****.
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#9 Sep 19 2007 at 8:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Meh, Rather may have got sloppy, trusted the crew too much, whatever. I wouldn't call him blameless. At the same time, his lengthy career as a trusted journalist speaks far more than one this one slip up.
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#10 Sep 19 2007 at 8:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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At the same time, his lengthy career as a trusted journalist speaks far more than one this one slip up.

I'm sure the captain of the Exxon Valdez had a great career before it ended, too.
#11 Sep 19 2007 at 9:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Couldn't have been TOO great if he had to get blitzed on the job...
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#12 Sep 19 2007 at 9:34 PM Rating: Excellent
Before the Dan Rather debacle I always assumed network anchorpeople were simply mouth pieces.

Now I know that Katie Couric not only has kick *** gams, but she's also an amazing journalist.
#13 Sep 19 2007 at 10:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Peter Jennings was where it's at :(


#14 Sep 19 2007 at 10:25 PM Rating: Good
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Peter Jennings was where it's at :(

How could he have been? He wasn't here now.
#15 Sep 19 2007 at 10:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Peter Jennings was where it's at :(


Jennings was my absolute favorite until 9/11. I stayed tuned into him for the majority of the most memorable twenty-four hours of television I hope to ever experience. It not only bonded me with him beyond explanation but it also ruined what we'd had.

I believe it would be prudent for me to pour out a little liquor at this point, for my fallen homie.

Edited, Sep 19th 2007 11:43pm by Barkingturtle
#16 Sep 20 2007 at 2:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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Peter Jennings was where it's at :(

How could he have been? He wasn't here now.


This is funnier than it probably should have been.

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#17 Sep 20 2007 at 5:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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This is funnier than it probably should have been.

No, its not. Verb tenses are just geek tests for grammarians.
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MoebiusLord the Irrelevant wrote:
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At the same time, his lengthy career as a trusted journalist speaks far more than one this one slip up.

I'm sure the captain of the Exxon Valdez had a great career before it ended, too.
Oh sweet jeezum...I claim noncomparableness.



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#19 Sep 20 2007 at 5:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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Peter Jennings was where it's at :(


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#21 Sep 20 2007 at 6:12 AM Rating: Default
Damn... And I'm only worth a few grand dead....
#22 Sep 20 2007 at 6:23 AM Rating: Good
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Less than that, me thinks.
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#23 Sep 20 2007 at 11:53 AM Rating: Default
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Annabella the Puissant wrote:

Maybe but then again, around that time, there was endless piling on of Rather because of the mainstream's press attempt to criticize Bush in the elections by the same parties who did not question the veracity of rightward leaning journalists, the "Swift boat Veterans" and various pundits who were put on news programs with their opinion.


Except that there's a huge difference between a news journalist and a "pundit", much less an organization like the Swift Boat Veterans.

A pundit is paid to present his opinion. Everyone knows that it's his opinion. If Jesse Jackson appears on a news show, you know he's not reporting the news. He's presenting his viewpoint on or about something.

Same deal with an organization like the Swift Boat Veterans. They are a group of people with a viewpoint. If they appear on your TV set, it's specifically so that they can present their viewpoint. Nothing more. There's an understanding from the start that they are presenting opinion.


When a journalist like Rather appears on the TV and says something, it's assumed that he's presenting unbiased fact (or at least as close as possible to unbiased fact). He's paid specifically to *not* have an opinion on the things he reports on, but to simply report them in as factual and clear a manner as possible. That's what news is supposed to be about. It's not commentary. It's not opinion. It's a presentation of facts to the public, presumably so that the public can make up their own minds about the issue at hand. Now, in the course of this, a journalist may put other people on (like the Swiftboat guys, or the moveon.org guys for example), but he must declare who they are and that the statements they are making are their opinions, not necessarily the result of the journalist's own investigation.

When doing investigative journalism (as Rather was), it's absolutely critical that any facts presented to the public be true. Because the whole point is that the new agency is leveraging the public belief that the journalist is truthful in order to ensure that the public believes that the information provided in said investigation is truthful. There's a reason why someone like Rather presents this information to the public instead of "Joe, the data checker guy". No one knows who Joe is. They don't trust his word.

By not fact checking his story, Rather lost that public trust. Rather also cost CBS a portion of that public trust because the next time they put a face in front of the camera and tell the public "this is fact, not opinion", the public is going to wonder if it's really fact they're getting.

That's why he was fired. We can speculate about Rather's intentions when he went forward with that story. Personally, from what I've heard he was so enthused about an anti-Bush story that he allowed himself to ignore warnings from multiple sources that his information might not be factual. But that's just speculation. Regardless, Rather's actions caused damage to his employers. They were justified to fire him IMO.
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#24 Sep 20 2007 at 12:05 PM Rating: Good
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Wow!

gbaji talking Shit! Who'da thunk it?

A 'Pundit' is someone brought in to express their opinion. Correct.

A News Presenter is a variable thing. The continuum runs from the 'eye candy' who reads from an auto-cue to a journalist who tests and probes stories using their own analytical skills.

In my limited experience of hearing Rather, I suspect he's nearer the latter than the former. In that case, he's on a sticky wicket claiming he 'vas only obeying ze orders'.

If, however he claims he based his reports on bum research or a lack of time to digest the story, he may have a case, but frankly this looks like a desperate attempt to fund his Grecian 2000 addiction.
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#25 Sep 20 2007 at 12:06 PM Rating: Decent
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MoebiusLord the Irrelevant wrote:
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This is funnier than it probably should have been.

No, its not. Verb tenses are just foreplay for grammarians.
#26 Sep 20 2007 at 12:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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A News Presenter is a variable thing. The continuum runs from the 'eye candy' who reads from an auto-cue to a journalist who tests and probes stories using their own analytical skills.

I would have thought that a news presenter was fairly well cemented in to whatever catagory it fell in. The eye candy talking heads are not likely to go investigative on your ***, and the investigative reporters are usually pigeon holed there because they lack the qualities necessary to be eye candy. Once they fall in to a groove, I doubt theres much variation over the course of their careers.
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