McNabb plays the race cardFollow

You just don't understand the plight of the poor black man who gets paid millions of dollars a year for playing football. Trying walking 100yds in their cleats and then come back.

Edited, Sep 18th 2007 12:29pm by NephthysWanderer

I call horse ****.

In San Francisco we had two of the best quarterbacks ever, Joe Montana and Steve Young. They were both brilliant at the game.

They caught nothing but flack from certain sports writers. Bob forbid the 49ers lose a game with half the defense out on injuries - it was Joe's fault.

Quarterback is the front man for the team. Wide receivers catch passes or the QB catches hell.

You're not special, McNabb. Sorry.

He's prone to interceptions, four in one playoff loss I can recall, and before the superbowl had a bit of a choker rep. But people still called him one of the top 2 QBs in the game.



Don't see any ******** and crying in what you linked. Interviewer asked questions, some leading, and McNabb responded honestly. Fine to criticize his argument, but criticizing his being honest? If someone pressed Palmer on some crap about black vs. white quarterbacking, I wouldn't say he was crying and ******** if simply answered the freaking question.



And has led the Eagles to #1 in the East 5 out of the last 6 seasons, and to the NFC Champ. game four out of the last 6. His Eagles have a better overall playoff record than the Colts in that time period.

Other QBs put up with all kinds of pressure, but just from looking at how QBs are talked about the last decade, no he doesn't get enough kudos, and yes other quarterbacks, who may just happen to be white because they're the vast majority of all QBs, are given a bit more deference.

Personally I don't think this case has anything to do with race, but do think McNabb isn't given enough credit for the success his team has had.

I too, experience some of that Atlanta mentality. I had this conversation today actually with a fellow student while I was waiting for my next class to start. I know one very um.. vocal black woman with whom I got into a row with concerning just what actually counts as racism..

The discussion previously concerned someone's former high school experience of "Jew Day" (I sh*t you not) where some people were singled out as "Jews" and forced to wear a gold star and were given more homework, and eat lunch seperately, etc. Apparently they considered it an awesome learning experience; I, however, considered it superfluous considering that the simple learning of history and perhaps the exercise of say.. empathy would allow someone to at least somewhat understand the plight of an oppressed people. Of course, that set several of them off.

At one point I believe I was told that I, being a white male, would never, under any circumstance, be able to understand how it feels to be a black woman in America, and because of that my opinion was not to be counted in the discussion. When I said something about empathy I think they just shrugged it off completely. Upon my then calling her out as the generator of one incredibly racist remark, I was told that saying that my own argument about simply teaching history as being enough to understand someone's plight was racist itself. (Insert green shaking head smiley)

I have to ask what part of advocating sincere empathy and understanding is racist? I just wouldn't want to have to go through some pretentious practice of "Jew Day" in high school that only serves to pander to fools that need to be spoon-fed that racism is bad, because they can't empathize with anyone.

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Another great example of Atlanta!

Edited, Sep 18th 2007 3:21pm by Pensive

IIRC (other than his first two seasons) the only times he really performed downright crappy was in the playoffs. True, prior to the Superbowl win, his choking in the playoffs was talked about profusely. You could almost say he was criticized for it. A lot. And damn, he's white!



Without seeing the full interview, I'll admit some of that is likely paraphrased and may very well have been leading. He may have simply answered the questions, it still doesn't change that he seems to think black quarterbacks are criticized more than white quarterbacks. Which I think is bullShit, and apparently I'm not alone in that thought.



I won't argue that he hasn't done some good things for the Eagles. He has. My thing was against his whining about all the criticism he's taken over the losses and the failure to get into the Superbowl, and trying to blame that criticism on his being black.

You're right, it has nothing to do with race. It's a shame McNabb thinks so.

Pensive:

I meant I don't agree with your opinion on McNabb's success with the Eagles. You did not say anything about him personally.

Now that I read it again, I am not so sure I read it correctly. I believe you were saying that McNabb > Manning.

I hate them both equally.

She's confusing you with Palpitus. Forgive her, she just gets so wound up when talking football.

Historically, there was pressure on African American's to not play quarterback, even if they were the best athelete available. Darn that racism.

However, the NFL is way too much of a business right now. They don't care. They do have a bit of a herd mentality, so getting them to try new things can be tricky, but at this point the whole quarterback thing is basically over.

One quick example: Jacksonville drafted Matt Jones in the first round (e.g. their first pick of that year) and converted him to wide reciever.

This is exactly the kind of thing that would have happened to black athelete's in the past - the stupid racist sterotype was that they were great athelete's but incapable of "running" the offense. But Matt Jones is white. And to top it off, all three of Jacksonville's quarterbacks were black (Leftwich, Gerrard and Gray).

This isn't to say the fans aren't racist. I'm certain some are. But I really doubt the team is going to push any player forward based on race.

McNabb may be upset the team chose a new quarterback with their first selection before this season began. This is really common - especially when you have an older or injury prone player. Competition makes players better. Look at Drew Brees. Ordinary until the Chargers drafted Rivers, and then a constant pro-bowl selection afterword.

Well McNabb just lost any respect that he might have gained from a Eagles fan with a lick of sense in them.



What a douche.

Rex Grossman didn't take anyone to the Superbowl. He was brought to the Superbowl by a team much greater than himself. Bears fans boo him because they're well aware that he is not a capable QB.

Lots of quarterbacks run. Lots get hurt. Running is a bit more likely to get you more hurt, but so is total Trent Green-esque immobility. I'm not really seeing much racial correlation.

But I really replied to this thread to add:

Speaking of running quarterbacks, I would have one - an insanely fast one. I would put him in late in the game when the defense is tired. And run the no-huddle. Tire out those big fat defensive linemen and the world is your oyster.

And if there was any success with it, your next opponent's defensive coordinator will spend half the week working on schemes to stop this guy - who you don't even have to play.

For the same reason, I would fake punt, fake field goal and onside kick at least once every game in the preseason. They don't actually have to work. Just make your opponents prepare for them.