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#1 Aug 31 2007 at 8:38 AM Rating: Default
WTF?

since when is it the governments responsibility to bail out people who make bad financial decisions all on their own? isnt that something they would assail on liberals for trying?

im a liberal, but i do not think our tax dollars should be used to help fools who make bad financial decisions. what happened to "market economy". where does "capitolism" fit in?

first they bail out the lending institutions for bed and predatory lending practices, now they are going to offer up government backed fixed loans for the fools who rolled the dice on an adjustible mortguage?

hey, my 401k didnt earn 10 percent this year, wheres my government bail out?

#2 Aug 31 2007 at 8:41 AM Rating: Good
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#3 Aug 31 2007 at 8:48 AM Rating: Decent
check CNN today. the feds are offering up government backed loans for people who cant pay their mortguage but have good credit.

this from a REPUBLICAN addministraition. its it opposite day today or something?
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I don't know that I'd call it a bailout.
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One of the key elements of Bush's plan would allow homeowners with a good credit history, but who cannot afford their mortgage payments, to refinance into mortgages insured by the Federal Housing Administration to keep from defaulting.
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He rejected any direct government aid to homeowners losing their houses to foreclosures, saying he only supported federal government help that would encourage refinancing and educate prospective home buyers about risky mortgage terms

"Anybody who loses their home is somebody with whom we must show enormous empathy," the president said at an Aug. 9 news conference. "The word 'bailout,' I'm not exactly sure what you mean. If you mean direct grants to homeowners, the answer would be no, I don't support that."
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On Friday, Bush planned to:

-- Urge Congress to pass legislation that would give the Federal Housing Administration more flexibility in assisting mortgage holders with subprime mortgages.

-- Pledge to work with Congress to reform the tax code to help troubled borrowers rework their loans.

-- Call for rigorously enforcing predatory lending laws and strengthening lending practices
No one is getting their home bought for them or getting off for free.

You can say that even the above is far too much but I'd imagine that Bush realizes that he can't crow about the "execellent economy" when a significant number of people risk getting evicted from their homes because they can't afford them.

Edited, Aug 31st 2007 11:51am by Jophiel
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#5 Aug 31 2007 at 8:57 AM Rating: Decent
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It's in the governments best interest that the current real estate struggle doesn't result in a major recession.
#6 Aug 31 2007 at 9:17 AM Rating: Decent
One of the key elements of Bush's plan would allow homeowners with a good credit history, but who cannot afford their mortgage payments, to refinance into mortgages insured by the Federal Housing Administration to keep from defaulting.
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He rejected any direct government aid to homeowners losing their houses to foreclosures, saying he only supported federal government help that would encourage refinancing and educate prospective home buyers about risky mortgage terms
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the two statements directly contradict each other. they ARE aiding people who are in threat of loosing their homes to forclosure. they ARE bailing out over extended fools who rolled the dice and lost.

lets look at recession. its like a wildfire. it is GOOD for an economy.

why? it is the check and ballance against run away inflation, like the one the FEDS CREATED in the housing market by dropping the prime rate for loans to begine with. the spiraling home prices are a DIRECT RESULT of that policy.

now, when intrest rates are climbing again, instead of the housing market coming back to reality, it is again being artifically supported by federal policy. fools overextending themselves SHOULD go into bankrupcy. those houses then will be auctioned off, and the prices in those areas will begine to come down.....AS THEY SHOULD.

the feds tried to hold off a recession that was supposed to happen in 2001 by droping the prime rate. a bunch of opertunists jumped on it for a quick profit and some individuals rolled the dice on the prices to keep climbing hoping to reep a profit.

as the economy picked up, the inrterest rates started climbing, and the artificaly jacked up home prices could no longer be supported. now, people owe more money on their homes than they are worth, and those fancy interest only loands investors used to get as much house as possible in their greed are starting to come due and no one is there to buy their over inflated investment.

in comes the feds. again, they are artifically supporting over inflated home prices by offering those gamblers a lifeline to maintain their dice toss.

it wont work.

wages are not going up. the number of people who actually NEED a home for a faimily is NOT GOING UP. the flood of investors snapping up property has STOPPED.

there is a flood of homes people bought as investment property sitting on the market that there simply is no support for in the economy. no massive increase in wages, no massine increase in ACTUAL demand for homes.

handing those gamplers a way to sit on it for a while longer is just helping them support their gambling habbit, and eventually, just delaying, not stopping, the eneviatable losses attached to those investments.

it is just buying time.....for INVESTORS.

there needs to be a recession. there needs to be a wildfire to cleanse the market of all the artifical fat jacking up prices artifically.

delaying it will only compound it and make it exponentially worse when it does finally happen.

they are hoping for a lifeline. another tech boom to bail them out. its not comming. we are loosing jobs to foreign markets. manufacturing is down. wages are stagnant. tech jobs are going overseas just like the auto industry, steel and electronics.

there is NOTHING supporting our economy right now but speculation.

a recession will be painfull, but it will bring reality back to not just home prices, but food, fuel, labor and everything all across the board.

delaying it is not the answer. artifically supporting it will only make it worse.
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the two statements directly contradict each other.
No, they don't. Honestly, when you get your opening statement wrong, there's not much reason to read further.
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#8 Aug 31 2007 at 9:46 AM Rating: Good
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Is that a prima faceplant argument?

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Is that a prima faceplant argument?
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#10 Aug 31 2007 at 9:58 AM Rating: Good
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While I agree with the wildfire logic to an extent, that's not what this bill is presenting. There will still be major repercussions for the housing market in general, with homebuilders being hit the hardest as construction grinds to a halt.

The economy will hit a speedbump, as it should, but not collapse into the credit crisis everyone is expecting.
#11 Aug 31 2007 at 10:04 AM Rating: Good
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im a liberal, but i do not think our tax dollars should be used to help fools who make bad financial decisions.


I think that automatically disqualifies you from being a liberal.




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If it makes you feel better, think of it as a mortgage company bailout. The banks don't really want to foreclose on a bunch of properties and have a crapload of homes to have to sell to try to make up for it.
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#13 Aug 31 2007 at 10:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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Samira wrote:
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And I'm okay with that!
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The purpose of this bill is to stave off the recession until Hilary wins the election, then it's her fault, and that all but assures Republican power until 2020.


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Hey, it's Metastophicleas. I thought a badger killed you or something.
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#18 Aug 31 2007 at 10:52 AM Rating: Good
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Plain stupid.

If there are bail-outs for unscrupulous financial speculators, something smells pretty nasty to me.

A drop in interest rates? Hmm. Okay. Hurts the monied investors a wee bit, but helps the borderline mortgage strugglers, and maybe offsets the risk of further destabilisation of the world's markets.

But FFS. SubPrime merchants happily sold mortgages to people who couldn't afford to pay them. FUck 'em.

As for the buyers of SubPrime mortgages - I know how high pressure the sales pitches can be. "Want to borrow $400K against your $25K annual income? Sure li'l buddy" Selective support for people who were mis-sold may be acceptable. Maybe.

But not for the corporate giants who capitalised on their poverty and ignorance.
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#19 Aug 31 2007 at 11:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey, it's Metastophicleas. I thought a badger killed you or something.


Why a badger?
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Who?
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Why a badger?
Why not a badger? I bet a badger could take you.
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#22 Aug 31 2007 at 11:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
Metastophicleas wrote:
Why a badger?
Why not a badger? I bet a badger could take you.


Badger, no. One of Michael Vic's dogs, maybe.
#23 Aug 31 2007 at 11:31 AM Rating: Good
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It seems actually one of the least terrible economic decisions that Bush has made and absolutely necessary if we don't substantial economic fallout.


But I do think there needs to be penalities for the lenders. There was too much exploitation going on and the government needs to have better control over unscrupulous corporations.

Edited, Aug 31st 2007 3:33pm by Annabella
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#24 Aug 31 2007 at 11:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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There was too much exploitation going on and the government needs to have better control over unscrupulous corporations.


If only they weren't lobbyists and contributors, alas!
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There was too much exploitation going on and the government needs to have better control over unscrupulous corporations.


If only they weren't lobbyists and contributors, alas!
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#26 Aug 31 2007 at 11:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Who cleans up after the custodians?

Kidding, I'm kidding, even I knew that one.

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