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#1 Aug 22 2007 at 9:05 PM Rating: Decent
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GWB said today

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"Three decades later, there is a legitimate debate about how we got into the Vietnam War and how we left,"


Yeah, Like he would fucking know first hand an' all 'cos like he was there...Smiley: oyvey


In addition to his analogy to Vietnam, Bush referred to previous conflicts in Asia in talking about the war against terror in Iraq.

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"There are many differences between the wars we fought in the Far East and the war on terror we are fighting today," Bush said. "But one important similarity is that at their core, they are all ideological struggles.

"The militarists of Japan and the Communists in Korea and Vietnam were driven by a merciless vision for the proper ordering of humanity. They killed Americans because we stood in the way of their attempt to force this ideology on others."
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Dont the children of the rich and affluent in the US have to do history at school?

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Former presidential adviser David Gergen said Bush ran the risk of doing as much harm as good for his case.

"By invoking Vietnam he raised the question, 'if you learned so much from history, how did you ever get us involved in another quagmire?' " Gergen said.


Rhetorical question with a touch of sarcasm, I presume....
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#2 Aug 22 2007 at 9:11 PM Rating: Good
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The man is buying time.

He will say anything and everything. Hey look I said something crazy about Vietnam and the war in Iraq. Pay attention to that and lets burn one of the x number of weeks I have left in office.

Then it is someone elses Vietnam!
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#3 Aug 24 2007 at 9:58 AM Rating: Decent
At this point there is virtually nothing Bush can say to justify the war which isn't ironic. This will remain the case until he admits earlier missteps.

Bush is the future litmus test for all US presidents.
#4 Aug 24 2007 at 1:03 PM Rating: Good
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Bush is the future litmus test for all US presidents.


With the bar set low enough, atleast we're less likely to be disapointed in the future.
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#5 Aug 24 2007 at 2:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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he should be the litmus test for kindergarden graduation.
#6 Aug 24 2007 at 8:28 PM Rating: Default
Bush, i hate him for a few reasons.
A)speech; i dont care if he hires someone to write his speeches, he needs to do SOMETHING about it, because he sucks more than that kid in High School that HATES giving speeches!.
B)actions; what good has he done in this country, and if so does it outweigh ANYTHING he has done wrong
C)Mind; I hate his thoughts to the core, for instance he wants to hunt endangered species!(long time ago first-term not talked about much)

Anyways another thing that i just hate. He will never admit he did ANYTHING wrong. I hate this kind of person >.>
#7 Aug 24 2007 at 10:26 PM Rating: Decent
Perhaps litmus test is a poor choice of words. Politicians in the future should try to distinguish themselves as much as possible from Bush. The anti-intellectual president who has never succeeded at virtually anything in life is simply not an option.

After he has left office, particularly if the Republicans retain the white house (good luck on that), there will be a period where more people close to Bush come out and tell how bad it really was. It will be critical for instructing the press on how to see through future incompetent sniveling liars, whom we shall invariably elect - from both major parties.

As for future fake intelligence reports that no one outside the white house gets to see, I think we've seen the last of that. Everything has to be shared with the appropriate subcommittees and stray from that intelligence - even slightly - and every member of those subcommittees should join together and make it very clear that isn't the intelligence they have heard.

And this time more of the press, not just Knight-Ridder, will listen.

I pity his father, whom I respect.

#8 Aug 25 2007 at 9:17 AM Rating: Default
the bottom line is, he wants to maintain the status quo untill after the next election.

if he pulls out before then, he admits he made a bad mistake that will stain the republican party for decades to come. he will say whatever it takes to throw up a smoke screen and make the issues blurry untill he leaves office. it is on his best intrest to, it is in the partys best interest to.

Iraq is a political war, just like Vietnam was. not a war of necessity or defense, but a war of ideals. and like all wars of ideals, it is the innocent people just trying to feed their famileys that pay the ultimate price for someone elses "vision".

look how effectively they move the media AWAY from questions of why and if we should be there in the first place. they blow it off as if it no longer matters. why and if ARE the ideals we are fighting on the ground right now. they DO matter. they matter to the people of iraq, they matter to their neibhors.

and most of all, there SHOULD be accountability. there wont be, but there SHOULD be. hundreds of thousands of human beings are DEAD. why they are DEAD does matter. if they should have died does matter.

someone SHOULD be held accountable.
#9 Aug 25 2007 at 10:40 PM Rating: Default
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the bottom line is, he wants to maintain the status quo untill after the next election.

if he pulls out before then, he admits he made a bad mistake that will stain the republican party for decades to come. he will say whatever it takes to throw up a smoke screen and make the issues blurry untill he leaves office. it is on his best intrest to, it is in the partys best interest to.

Iraq is a political war, just like Vietnam was. not a war of necessity or defense, but a war of ideals. and like all wars of ideals, it is the innocent people just trying to feed their famileys that pay the ultimate price for someone elses "vision".

look how effectively they move the media AWAY from questions of why and if we should be there in the first place. they blow it off as if it no longer matters. why and if ARE the ideals we are fighting on the ground right now. they DO matter. they matter to the people of iraq, they matter to their neibhors.

and most of all, there SHOULD be accountability. there wont be, but there SHOULD be. hundreds of thousands of human beings are DEAD. why they are DEAD does matter. if they should have died does matter.

someone SHOULD be held accountable.



bravo. So very well said my friend, that was speech-worthy and 100% true
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