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#1 Aug 22 2007 at 2:38 PM Rating: Good
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Bush administration officials who have begun to rethink imposing democracy in Iraq.

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Nightmarish political realities in Baghdad are prompting American officials to curb their vision for democracy in Iraq. Instead, the officials now say they are willing to settle for a government that functions and can bring security.


Here's another keen political insight for you fellas: if you drop bombs on people for four years, they stop liking you!

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#2 Aug 22 2007 at 2:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Samira wrote:
if you drop bombs on people for four years, they stop liking you, unless they're german

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#3 Aug 22 2007 at 2:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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Heres another:- if you go into a country with a hideous human rights record and actually make the place less safe to live in, it's time to have a rethink.
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#4 Aug 22 2007 at 2:53 PM Rating: Good
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3,706 US troops dead to figure out something we all knew 4 years ago.

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#5 Aug 22 2007 at 3:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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3,706 US troops dead to figure out something we all knew 4 years ago.

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Even Richard Cheney knew 11 years ago. Why didn't anyone listen to him? Why?

He was such a visionary! It makes my heart weep that his black prophetic vision has come true.







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#6 Aug 22 2007 at 4:22 PM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
Bush administration officials who have begun to rethink imposing democracy in Iraq.
I think they've been rethinking the whole democracy thing here in the US too. Smiley: frown
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#7 Aug 22 2007 at 4:58 PM Rating: Good
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Who really thought they could convert a 5,000 year old tribal society to democracy in five years?
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#8 Aug 23 2007 at 1:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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Instead, the officials now say they are willing to settle for a government that functions and can bring security.


And everyone knows the best way to get security and efficency is through a one-man dictatorship. He could even rally the people through a Pan-Arab ideology that could be called, oh I don't know, baathism?

And he could grow a nice moustache.

And well, if you need to kill/gas/torture a few people in order to get security, then why not?

And if we sell him weapons, maybe he'll sell us cheap oil.

And best of all, he can act as a counter-weight to Iran, who's been far too powerful in the region recently.

Sounds like a brilliant plan, if we could only find such a useful ally...

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#9 Aug 23 2007 at 3:59 AM Rating: Decent
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they stop liking you!
Why would they stop liking you if you bring them freedom? Smiley: confused
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Samira wrote:
Here's another keen political insight for you fellas: if you drop bombs on people for four years, they stop liking you!



Yeah, Japan and Germany sure seem to hate us...

And Red, I like your idea for Iraqi stability. I think my support for this plan stems mostly from my affinity for moustaches.

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#11 Aug 23 2007 at 5:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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Natdatilgnome wrote:
Samira wrote:
Here's another keen political insight for you fellas: if you drop bombs on people for four years, they stop liking you!



Yeah, Japan and Germany sure seem to hate us...


You don't think Japan despises us? You don't think Germany hated us for twenty-five years after World War I?

Culturally the Middle East is much different from either of those countries. In many parts of the Middle East a blood feud is a matter of honor, and forgiveness is unacceptable.

I guarantee you that Khadafy hasn't forgiven us for dropping a bomb on his house, and that was what? 30 years ago?

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#12 Aug 23 2007 at 5:20 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think Germany still hates you, but giving them David Hasselhoff was a clever move.
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#13 Aug 23 2007 at 5:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, he is the opiate of the masses.

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#14 Aug 23 2007 at 5:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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You don't think Japan despises us? You don't think Germany hated us for twenty-five years after World War I?


It's also completely different. Germany basically started WWII and created camps to kill 6 million Jews. They could "rationalise" getting bombed. And even then, most Germans will say that the bombing of Dresden was as bad as anything the ***** did.

In some ways the same goes for Japan.

Those countries could understand that it was the *****/Imperial Japan that was being attacked. And it was in the middle of a world war.

Iraq, on the other hand, didn't attack anyone. It makes it a bit harder for them to understand why they were being bombed, then invaded, then occupied, then subjected to worse levels of violence than under Saddam.

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#15 Aug 23 2007 at 5:44 AM Rating: Good
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Monsieur RedPhoenixxx wrote:
Samira wrote:
You don't think Japan despises us? You don't think Germany hated us for twenty-five years after World War I?


It's also completely different.


So completely and utterly different that to even compare the two shows such a startling ignorance that it makes the person who brings up excluded from being taken seriously.
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Sometimes visions of grandeur don't turn out like you plan. Whatcha goin do?
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Red for a frenchman you have rather rational view of WWII, hell you might even have not run away!! Smiley: sly

You are right, in WWII Germany and Janap where the agressorsand where both allowed to keep somewhat of a national identity (Moreso in Japan than Germany)

I doubt that the average iraqi feels that his/her country deserves the pounding they have recieved in the last few years.

Hell there was probably a very comfortable middle class that loved the fact that they could practice thier religion without the Zeal forced by the type of Immam's that are common across their borders to the east and west. Loved the fact that they could have a secure and worthwhile job with little or no dangers.

Now look at them, raving priests on one side trying to blow them up, forgien contractors on the other taking their jobs.

Well Done Mr Bush.
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Monsieur RedPhoenixxx wrote:
Iraq, on the other hand, didn't attack anyone.


Well. Except for Kuwait, a nation they invaded and held for over 6 months. And then there's those scuds filled with chemical weapons that they lobbed towards Israel.

But you're correct. Other then those two nations, they didn't actually attack anyone. Lol...

Apologist much?
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#19 Aug 23 2007 at 5:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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that they lobbed towards Israel.

I also heard that Jordan accused them of "looking at us funny" back in 92.

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gbaji wrote:
Monsieur RedPhoenixxx wrote:
Iraq, on the other hand, didn't attack anyone.


Well. Except for Kuwait, a nation they invaded and held for over 6 months. And then there's those scuds filled with chemical weapons that they lobbed towards Israel.

But you're correct. Other then those two nations, they didn't actually attack anyone. Lol...

Apologist much?


gbaji, get your facts right before you post. Iraq never launched scuds filled with chemical weapons at Israel. Those were just your average run-of-the-mill HE missiles. dangerous, but not WMD's. Those he saved for the Kurds and Iranians.

Also, nice pile of BS. All that happened 12 YEARS before we invaded Iraq this time around. They got slapped down for that at the time, and were rendered incapable of repeating it. By your logic, China has every right to invade Japan in retaliation for WWII.

Iraq wasn't a threat. Dubbya's dad and Clinton saw to that.
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#21 Aug 23 2007 at 10:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Monsieur RedPhoenixxx wrote:
Iraq, on the other hand, didn't attack anyone.


Well. Except for Kuwait, a nation they invaded and held for over 6 months. And then there's those scuds filled with chemical weapons that they lobbed towards Israel.
History V2.3

So having seen that Saddam was prepared to use the bio/chemical weapons USA sold him in the '80s, Uncle Sam got all the way to Baghdad in '91 and suffered from short attention span, turned round and went home to watch MTV for a few years.

Rumsfeld: Dammit Saddam! You were supposed to use them against Iran!
Saddam: Pfft. We made up. Suck it *****.
Netanyahu: Hey! Uncle Sam! Whatchagoindoo? Huh?
Rumsfeld: Shush you. We're not supposed to be seen together
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#22 Aug 24 2007 at 12:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well. Except for Kuwait


Yeah, we were just 12 years late responding.

Is that because Sat Nav doesn't work so well in the desert?

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And then there's those scuds filled with chemical weapons that they lobbed towards Israel.


Right, so Israel bombing the Osirik reactor is enough of an excuse for other countries to invade and occupy it?

Seriously, you can't argue that there are any relevant similarities between 2002 Iraq and 1933-44 Germany, except perhaps, that both are "countries" with "people".



Edited, Aug 24th 2007 8:51:11am by RedPhoenixxx
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#23gbaji, Posted: Aug 24 2007 at 3:01 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I see. So because the US gave the UN 12 years to figure out their method of dealing with Iraq wasn't working, this somehow nullifies the issue?
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I see. So because the US gave the UN 12 years to figure out their method of dealing with Iraq wasn't working, this somehow nullifies the issue?
I see, so how many countries did Iraq invade in this time exactly?

and while we are on the topic of the UN and it's methods, how many WMD where found after the UN inspection team said REPEATEDLY that there where none.
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It took 12 years for us to respond because for 12 years the UN insisted that we apply sanctions, then oil for food, then who knows what else, cause maybe, someday Saddam will actually comply with the terms required from the cease fire back in 1991...
Maybe it took 12 years for G.W.Bush to illeagally invade because for all intents and purposes Iraq was completely nutralised and incapable of influsencing anything outside it's borders.

Iraq wasn't a threat to any other countries, it had no WMD and it had no links to Islamic terrorism. 0-3 on reasons to invade.
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#25gbaji, Posted: Aug 24 2007 at 5:05 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Utterly irrelevant.
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#26 Aug 24 2007 at 5:29 PM Rating: Good
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Utterly irrelevant.

We know, it just amuses people to **** with you.

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