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#1 Aug 22 2007 at 9:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Suppose medical technology advanced to the point that it was possible to prolong life indefinately. People could live forever, and maintain clear thinking, decent motor skills, and generally all around good health. Not only that, but this new miracle is affordable enough to be available to the majority of the population of the entire planet.

Unfortunately, one of the side effects of said drug is that it makes the user infertile. You take it once, and you're done, no more offspring.

What then? How do the governments of the world distribute said drug? Should they force certain people not to take it for the purposes of procreation? How do they deal with certain sections of the economy which are soon to take massive hits (like teaching, toys, baby forumla, etc.)?
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#2 Aug 22 2007 at 9:36 AM Rating: Good
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That would be like making all caterpillars never change into butterflies.

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#3 Aug 22 2007 at 9:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Do you think most people would opt to take it? In my limited experience most people, when the "Would you want to live forever?" question comes up, say no. Of course, they're not being offered a pill at the time. If nothing else, I think people people would opt to take it after procreating. So we'd still have a teachers & rattles industry and a rapidly rising population rate!
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#4REDACTED, Posted: Aug 22 2007 at 9:38 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You lost me here.
#5 Aug 22 2007 at 9:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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If nothing else, I think people people would opt to take it after procreating. So we'd still have a teachers & rattles industry and a rapidly rising population rate!

Eventually though, the population will grow so large, that it will need to be controlled. How do we decide who gets to have babies? Do we kill off criminals to make more room for the rest of society? Do we limit the drug to only certain people, and if so, how do we choose said people?
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Demea wrote:
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If nothing else, I think people people would opt to take it after procreating. So we'd still have a teachers & rattles industry and a rapidly rising population rate!

Eventually though, the population will grow so large, that it will need to be controlled. How do we decide who gets to have babies? Do we kill off criminals to make more room for the rest of society? Do we limit the drug to only certain people, and if so, how do we choose said people?


This is like a combo of Highlander and Fortress.

I like to compare everything to Christopher Lambert movies.

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#7 Aug 22 2007 at 9:55 AM Rating: Default
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You lost me here.


Would you want to live to be 500, but at 80 not be able to remember who your kids are and need a diaper?
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#8 Aug 22 2007 at 10:15 AM Rating: Default
I think that the pill would have to be limited to terminally ill patients, people who would die at a young age, or before they "feel they are ready" and only allowed up to a certain age, like 150. Or, did you say the pill is permanent? As in not only does it kill your sperm forevermore in one does, but it keeps you alive forever in one dose too?
#10 Aug 22 2007 at 10:21 AM Rating: Good
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Edited, Aug 22nd 2007 6:24:50pm by RedPhoenixxx
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#12 Aug 22 2007 at 10:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Demea i highly recommend you read Peter F Hamilton's Pandora's Star and Judas Unchained books, they deal with this subject as a side plot, in that the society has invented a process that resets your body back to that of a 20 year old.

many of the main charicters in the books are upto 500 years old, and it describes in full how the society adapted to it and the consequences for those unable to.
#13 Aug 22 2007 at 10:38 AM Rating: Default
Sperm banks and clincal fertility....
#14 Aug 22 2007 at 10:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Why would I want to prolong the time I have to spend with all you mother fuCkers?
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I think that the pill would have to be limited to terminally ill patients, people who would die at a young age, or before they "feel they are ready" and only allowed up to a certain age, like 150. Or, did you say the pill is permanent?
Well, it probably doesn't protect against a bolt gun to the temple Smiley: wink2
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#16 Aug 22 2007 at 10:53 AM Rating: Decent
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Do you think most people would opt to take it? In my limited experience most people, when the "Would you want to live forever?" question comes up, say no. Of course, they're not being offered a pill at the time. If nothing else, I think people people would opt to take it after procreating. So we'd still have a teachers & rattles industry and a rapidly rising population rate!


I think it'd be more interesting and better if you had to choose between the two. You could either take the pill or have offspring but not both. It would help with the population growth.

Living that long you'd see the time when we start colonies on other planets and self efficient energy and food. The problems with over population and supply deficiency would be void.
#17 Aug 22 2007 at 11:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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Living that long you'd see the time when we start colonies on other planets and self efficient energy and food. The problems with over population and supply deficiency would be void.

You assume that there are other planets out there to be colonized, and that we will find them. You also assume that we'll find a way to create a perfectly ideal energy source, which seems about as silly as the previous assumption.

Although the "one or the other" approach has some merit. Maybe limit all couple to two kids to keep the population roughly even, while allowing three kids to certain couples to offset the accidental deaths?

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Well, it probably doesn't protect against a bolt gun to the temple

I guess I should have specified that the drug doesn't protect against death, it just makes your body immune to the effects of age.
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#18 Aug 22 2007 at 11:24 AM Rating: Good
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I might also suggest "Grimus" by Salmon Rushdie.

Guy is given 2 bottles. One for immortality, the other for death. He drinks the immortality potion and immediatly destroys the death potion.... and regrets it the rest of his life...

things then get really strange....
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#19 Aug 22 2007 at 12:45 PM Rating: Good
The only thing for certain in that scenario would be a huge increase in suicide rates. People will definitely grow weary of life. It's why vampires simply withdraw and go to sleep for many centuries.








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#20 Aug 22 2007 at 12:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Demea i highly recommend you read Peter F Hamilton's Pandora's Star and Judas Unchained books, they deal with this subject as a side plot, in that the society has invented a process that resets your body back to that of a 20 year old.

many of the main charicters in the books are upto 500 years old, and it describes in full how the society adapted to it and the consequences for those unable to.


Those books were awesome! I had to wait a year for the second book though, which pissed me off.
#21 Aug 22 2007 at 12:49 PM Rating: Good
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Demea wrote:
Maybe limit all couple to two kids to keep the population roughly even, while allowing three kids to certain couples to offset the accidental deaths?


Or if they're likely to produce a child military genius that'll help save mankind from the bugs...
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#22 Aug 22 2007 at 12:51 PM Rating: Decent
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I would take it, I've had kids already. Immediately after taking it I would invest in space technology, because in 30-40 years the governments would be spending hella cash trying to build space stations to make room for people.
#23 Aug 22 2007 at 12:53 PM Rating: Decent
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I would invest in space technology, because in 30-40 years the governments would be spending hella cash trying to build space stations to make room for people.


Negative, the Government would simple let the weaker ones starve and the rich grow fatter. You know, kind of like now.
#24 Aug 22 2007 at 12:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Demea wrote:
You assume that there are other planets out there to be colonized, and that we will find them. You also assume that we'll find a way to create a perfectly ideal energy source, which seems about as silly as the previous assumption.

Although the "one or the other" approach has some merit. Maybe limit all couple to two kids to keep the population roughly even, while allowing three kids to certain couples to offset the accidental deaths?


Keep in mind that people would eventually be able to put hundreds of years of experience into solving a problem. You would also end up with hypereducation, people who go to school for 50 years getting every science and math class that exists. I think scientific discovery would take a pretty significant jump. The solution may not be other planets, but why not dig down instead of flying up? Lots of space and heat down there. There's always a solution people without 400 years of experience haven't thought of.

As for allowing them to have two kids, that won't keep the population even unless they are banned from taking the pill after they have children (and good luck enforcing that one), it would double it every generation (minus accidents of course).
#25 Aug 22 2007 at 1:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Negative, the Government would simple let the Lazy ones starve and the hard workers grow fatter. You know, kind of like now.
FTFY.
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The real ***** would be that you probably couldn't ever retire. Even people with a bajillion dollars in various accounts and investments would find their actual worth drying up as we ran through our resources.
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