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#1 Aug 20 2007 at 8:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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The Tribune wrote:
Elvira Arellano, the illegal Mexican immigrant who was arrested on a downtown Los Angeles street Sunday after leaving Chicago, has been deported to Mexico, federal officials said this morning.

Arellano, who left her refuge in a church on Chicago's Northwest Side in what was to be the beginning of a nationwide campaign to push for new immigration reforms, was processed at the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement staging facility in Santa Ana, Calif., and then transported 100 miles to the border crossing at San Ysidro, Calif., where she was turned over to Mexican authorities late Sunday.
Arellano, who you may or may not recall, had been holed up in the Adalberto Methodist Church for over a year evading Federal authorities by claiming sanctuary within the church walls. Last week I read an opinion piece asking that authorities not arrest Arellano. Not because she wasn't a criminal but because to arrest her a year later upon leaving the church would be lending validity to the unconstitutional idea of "sanctuary" and setting a dangerous precedent. To arrest her now would be a tacit admission that they had to wait for her to come out first.

How should the government have handled it? Should they have simply stormed the church and pulled her out? Attempted to press criminal charges against the church sheltering her? Were they right to wait as long as they did for a peaceful resolution? Her crimes were illegal entry and she was convicted of using a false Social Security card if that makes any difference in your answer.
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#2 Aug 20 2007 at 8:59 AM Rating: Decent
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They did the right thing imo. Storming the church would have not only caused religious backlash, but also would have brought more attention to the story.
I think that the idea of Sanctuary is one that won't be exploited tremendously, but if it ever is, I'm sure the government will find a way to address.

This way, they avoided what could have been a more difficult issue.
#3 Aug 20 2007 at 9:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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I think police officers should have entered the church as peacefully as possible and placed her under arrest as soon as her whereabouts were known.

I happen to agree that this lends validity to the idea of church as sanctuary which, while it has a certain romantic appeal, is problematic on so many levels I'm not going to bother enumerating all of them.

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#4 Aug 20 2007 at 9:32 AM Rating: Good
If I recall correctly from my classes...

In 2002, the United States Second Circuit of Appeals upheld current immigration laws by denying sanctuary as a defense in USA v. Francine La May.

I don't think there really -is- a precedent to be set for the idea of 'sanctuary' therefore, but rather this was more of an idea of finding a peaceful resolution to the problem that didn't involve storming a church and creating an uproar in the media as a result.

There's no point to creating bad press if one can help it.

Edited, Aug 20th 2007 1:34:40pm by Nightsintdreams
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#5 Aug 20 2007 at 9:38 AM Rating: Excellent
If you think this was handled well, you're not seeing the ramifications of validating the idea of sanctuary. The right way to handle this situation would have been to enter the church when her location was discovered. There's no reason to "storm" the church; it's not as if she was accused of some violent crime.

By allowing her refuge for a year precedent is set, maybe not legal precedent, but the seed has been planted in the minds of folks looking to evade the law. The only justifiable course of action at this point is the elimination of all churches in this country, because the potential for fugitives to claim sactuary is too great to allow their continued existence.
#6 Aug 20 2007 at 9:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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Maintaining archaic Sanctuary rules (which have always been romanticised by Hollywood and were rarely respected anyway) is as silly as having "Immunity while standing on 1 leg"

Although that would make great reality TV.
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Nightsintdreams, pet mage of Jabober wrote:
In 2002, the United States Second Circuit of Appeals upheld current immigration laws by denying sanctuary as a defense in USA v. Francine La May.

I don't think there really -is- a precedent to be set for the idea of 'sanctuary' therefore
Sanctuary hasn't been a valid legal concept since the late 1500s or so. However, legal or not, any time someone can evade arrest for a year by staying in a church and the government lends credence to that by not arresting them until they leave the church, I think it obviously implies that the church is a safe place to be when the feds want you. There really wasn't risk of a non-peaceful resolution -- this wasn't a case of her being holed up in a bunker with sixteen hostages and a box of grenades. It was sheer unwillingness on the part of the government to go into a church which led to her additional year of 'freedom'.

Certainly if she had been in a warehouse or an apartment building, the authorities would not have waited a year for her to come out.
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#8 Aug 20 2007 at 9:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Was it known that she was in hiding there for a year?
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NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
Was it known that she was in hiding there for a year?
Yup
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#10 Aug 20 2007 at 10:02 AM Rating: Good
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Forced deportation should only be allowed if they provide funny pictures of the illegals having the **** scared out of them by swat members el a Elian Gonzales.
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#11 Aug 20 2007 at 10:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
It was sheer unwillingness on the part of the government to go into a church which led to her additional year of 'freedom'.


Under a different administration the fact that she holed up in a church would not have been a factor.

Having said that, this still beats the living **** out of Ruby Ridge.

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